Please Learn From My Lack of Proper Insurance Coverage (Please Read)

Fouledplugs

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I purchased a YJ Wrangler with swapped aftermarket axles, 40's, beadlocks, flat fenders, custom bumpers, coil overs, frame mods, and everything else that goes with 40's.

Not 24 hours after purchasing it, I had just filled it with gas and of course someone pulls out in front of me causing a collision. His insurance claimed liability and wants to work with me to fix or total my Wrangler. A total loss would not be ideal for any of us with our mods and attachment to our Jeeps/toys.

The collision totaled his car, dented my front bumper, wrinkled my right-front quarter panel, and tweaked my frame. A lot of small stuff too, all of which can be fixed. However, his insurance (Progressive) and their adjuster has already began pushing back on including the value of all the work done to my YJ. initially claiming it's worth $7k...it's got that plus some in axles alone. It's as if all the modifications don't even exist to the insurance company.

So lesson here is really pay attention to what coverage you have on your Jeep(s). make sure to keep both soft copies and hard copies of all receipts that cover parts, labor, and material. Keep your insurance agent up-to-date on anything that you modify. Provide receipts to them and ask that it be covered in case of an accident.

if I had the right coverage, I could make a claim with my insurance, get it fixed, and then my insurance would go after Progressive for the repair cost.

Do not fear them kicking you from coverage, use that as motivation to find the right insurance company with the right coverage for your modifications.

I'll try to keep this thread up to date with the progress of my repair in hopes to help others learn how best to avoid this type of problem in the future.

Accident: 29 Dec 2021
Dropped at the body shop: 1 Feb 2022
Progressive Adjuster shows up: 3 Feb 2022
Initial totaled vehicle offer from Progressive: 9 Feb 2022 (Post #111)
Body shop sent their estimate to Progressive: 18 Feb 2022
Progressive re-evaluated the value with parts list: 18 Feb 2022 (no added value)



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Some key takeaways I've found important along the way:
  • Before getting behind the wheel, have a complete list of invoices and/or receipts for all items you add/change on your Wrangler. i.e.; axle housings, shafts, gears, lockers, wheels, tires, coil-overs, brackets, steering parts, rock sliders, power coating, cage build to include material cost, custom bumper material cost, seats, engine swaps, winch, aftermarket hoods, fenders, and whatever else you want covered.
  • Provide all receipts and invoices to your insurance provider. Be as transparent as possible with your agent to get either the right coverage or find another agent at another company who can give you the confidence that your parts from the first bullet above will be added/considered in the overall value of your modified Wrangler. Hiding things or being vague will get you no where if a claim is filed and they find out after the fact.
  • Consider getting it professionally appraised by a licensed automotive appraiser. (receipts and invoices will help here and are required.)
  • Keep your rig clean and don't push maintenance down the calendar. Keep records of maintenance some sort of way you see fit.
  • Never let an insurance company tow your rig anywhere but your house/driveway. Once they have it, good luck getting it back to a place you prefer. The less people touching it and seeing it, the better IMO. It certainly will stick out like a sore thumb in a tow yard.
  • Keep your insurance agent in the loop if you file a claim with another insurance company (applies to accidents that are not your fault)
  • All those receipts/invoices for custom axles, gas tanks, bumpers, etc can be helpful to the body shop/automotive shop who is preparing an estimate for repair. They should be sent to the adjuster representing the insurance company the claim is filled with too.
 
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So are you looking to part out those axles and beadlocks? :)
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[edit] seeing as you just bought it seems like you just show them how much you paid for it and thats market value.
 
As of now, I have a very reputable body shop owner writing an estimate as if it was his own personal Jeep and what would be required to fix it right.

The adjuster for Progressive asked me to provide receipts of work done and parts with cost, which I am working on now. My impression is that they will use the list to adjust overall value of the jeep to avoid a total loss and get it repaired without hitting the totaled vehicle threshold.
 
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So are you looking to part out those axles and beadlocks? :)
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[edit] seeing as you just bought it seems like you just show them how much you paid for it and thats market value.
I'm taking it easy for now, playing nice, and letting the cards fall where they may. My overall goal is to avoid a total loss and salvage title.
 
Id have to say thats your fault for not insuring a modded vehicle for what you value it at or have into it. Another example of how they screw everyone is by checking KBB or any book value or your next vehicle. I sold a cherry 97 F250HD 4x4 for $6500 a few years ago. KBB currently says $2500 to $6300. based on todays prices here in NM or AZ I could ask $12500 for it and likely get it. If it was a 7.3 Id ask $20K or there abouts. Current KBB says $5200 to 9K. Try to find either in one owner cherry shape for the KBB listed prices. If it was wrecked no way would any KBB valued insurance co pay what current insane market values are. There are several ins co's that will insure to what you ask and was pretty fair when we had our 65 Mustang covered with them.
 
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I have the significant mods to my blue jeep as a rider. I'm almost afraid to start compiling a value for what the red one will be but I will once I get it back on the road.
 
However, his insurance (Progressive) and their adjuster has already began pushing back on including the value of all the work done to my YJ. initially claiming it's worth $7k...

That adjuster is doing his job, which is to save the company money, and throwing out a low number he thinks you will take. If you just bought it, well that should be comparable sale #1 for showing it's pre-wreck value. Is your agent not helping in any way?

I suggest a few things. 1) compile a list of recently sold and/or currently listed Jeeps similar to what you have/had, with higher prices being in your favor. 2) look into their responsibility (IDK your state laws) for covering a rental car and chiropractic care for you because your back hurts and you don't know how you're going to get around. (it's their client's fault according to you, so it's on their dime, and they will start getting a little more serious if you start costing the company more money). 3) If they want to total it, make sure you are covered for diminished value due to salvage title.

I'm taking it easy for now, playing nice, and letting the cards fall where they may

That's how you screw yourself. Be polite, but firm. If the wreck was their client's fault, it's now their responsibility to make you whole again like it never happened.
 
Almost 20 years ago I was doing Rusty Nail in Moab and rolled my XJ on a rock waterfall. I crushed the roof, bent the B pillar and crushed the drivers side back door. I drove the Jeep home from Moab and filed a claim thru the insurance company. I knew they would refuse the claim IF I told them it happened in Moab while rock crawling.
My story went as follows...
I was driving early one morning to the local mountains to take my wife out for breakfast. The area was snow covered and the roads were freshly plowed, but still had some snow on them. A deer ran across the road and I swerved to miss the animal and skidded off the road into a ditch which damaged my Jeep. The insurance adjuster asked if there wasn't another way to go to the mountains. I explained the other route would be 75 miles out of my way.... The adjuster asked IF I could have done anything different; I said, "HIT THE DEER". The adjuster did not appreciate my humor and sarcasm.
The insurance company had me bring the Jeep to their repair facility for an evaluation and repair quote. They wanted to total the Jeep, but I continued to push back stating that was unacceptable and requested they find a way to get the damage repaired.
The solution was a used door that would be repainted (already had factory tinted window) and they would not repaint the entire Jeep.
The repairs cost $5100 in 2003; this was a 1998 XJ 4.0L Sport with 5.5" lift, 33" tires with many many modifications.
You need to stand firm and push back on the insurance adjusters attempts minimize the money they put out.
 
That adjuster is doing his job, which is to save the company money, and throwing out a low number he thinks you will take. If you just bought it, well that should be comparable sale #1 for showing it's pre-wreck value. Is your agent not helping in any way?

I suggest a few things. 1) compile a list of recently sold and/or currently listed Jeeps similar to what you have/had, with higher prices being in your favor. 2) look into their responsibility (IDK your state laws) for covering a rental car and chiropractic care for you because your back hurts and you don't know how you're going to get around. (it's their client's fault according to you, so it's on their dime, and they will start getting a little more serious if you start costing the company more money). 3) If they want to total it, make sure you are covered for diminished value due to salvage title.



That's how you screw yourself. Be polite, but firm. If the wreck was their client's fault, it's now their responsibility to make you whole again like it never happened.

I will +1 this one.
Over time experience taught me a very simple and straight forward lesson, issues get resolved simply and in timely manner when involved parties want to resolve them. Anything outside of that is a game of "how much more can i fuck you over and get away with, after i just fucked you over".
 
Id have to say thats your fault for not insuring a modded vehicle for what you value it at or have into it
Totally agree, had I known better and been more educated on insurance, I would of had the right coverage from day 1 before getting behind the wheel.

It’s wild that I could swap a $20k engine/trans (example) in a car worth $5k and the insurance rob me for $5k (if totaled) and get a $20k engine with it. Seems like theft and at best bad faith.

based on todays prices here in NM or AZ I could ask $12500 for it and likely get it.
Just a few months ago, I was involved in another accident with a different YJ of mine and USAA (their fault and they accepted liabilty) used KBB, NADA, and comparables in my area via Craigslist to get a dollar value of my total. So some insurance companies, like USAA, do use what the market trends reflect to value your total loss. They even had links to the ads that were comparable in their total loss analysis report when they finished.
 
I have my LJR insured with Hagerty at a stated value and if it ever would get totaled, I can keep it and still get my full stated value. its called cherished value coverage.
I just looked at Hagerty’s website and it does state that heavy off road modifications are not covered.

Not trying to argue, just bringing it to your attention and advocating for reading your policy line by line, word by word to make sure.
 
I had a 74 FJ40. Now keep in mind this was in 1988 or so. I had just started restoring it when a lady in a Honda Accord turned in front of me. Her insurance wanted to total it and give me $1,200.00. My neck and back started to ache and I mentioned it to the adjuster. He looked at me funny, smiled and told me he would see if he could rework the estimate. Ended up fixing it with a full paint job.

My point is that it is yours. It was damaged due to negligence on the other driver. Their insurance is required to make you whole. Not better, whole. Good luck and don’t settle on bodily injury until the vehicle is right. GL!
 
Is your agent not helping in any way?
My StateFarm agent said they would if I think Progressive wasnt helping. Thus far, it seems like the Progressive adjuster is doing exacrly what StateFarm would do. But do have them briefed on status and keeping them in my back pocket.

That's how you screw yourself. Be polite, but firm. If the wreck was their client's fault, it's now their responsibility to make you whole again like it never happened.
My mindset entirely.
 
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I have stated coverage on my rig. Two ways to do that - gather up all your receipts and send them off to your insurer (what I did), or have the rig appraised by a qualified appraiser. Either way, if your insurer will do that, just be prepared to pay the premium. If not, find another insurer as was stated.

Just about every policy on a street driven vehicle is going to exclude any damage happening off road. That's the chance we take with the hobby. If you have an unfortunate accident like fouledplugs, at least you have the vehicle to make an argument over what's in it. The thing I've always worried about is having the thing stolen - then you are pretty much at the insurer's mercy if you have not made value arrangements prior to the incident.