I just pictured Jerry in this situation - now I'm desperately clawing my eyes out...
I just pictured Jerry in this situation - now I'm desperately clawing my eyes out...
Yep, the steep roofs that present a huge dam for the wind to hit during a 'cane. Makes no sense to me. This old house was built in 1963 and has a 4/12 roof. "Architectural guidelines" like you cite are stupid and ridiculous. Is it a stupid county ordinance or is there CCRs and an HOA involved?Are you just referring to steep pitches? It surprised me how all the new construction in Oklahoma is 10/12+ but front range Colorado was all 4/12. I think in those areas it mostly came down to cost. Oklahomans don't have to spend $50k in permits and water/sewer tap fees so they have it to spend on extra lumber and labor because it makes the house more impressive looking.
Specific examples - the architectural guidelines where we're building sets a minimum of 9/12, and where we almost built in CO in 2019 it took a lot of arguing with our designer just to bump it up to 6.
Yep, the steep roofs that present a huge dam for the wind to hit during a 'cane. Makes no sense to me. This old house was built in 1963 and has a 4/12 roof. "Architectural guidelines" like you cite are stupid and ridiculous. Is it a stupid county ordinance or is there CCRs and an HOA involved?
HOA. It's not nearly as restrictive as some I've been in or heard about, but that's a very common requirement. I'm not sure a 4/12 roof has been built here since the early 70s except on the most entry of entry level houses.Yep, the steep roofs that present a huge dam for the wind to hit during a 'cane. Makes no sense to me. This old house was built in 1963 and has a 4/12 roof. "Architectural guidelines" like you cite are stupid and ridiculous. Is it a stupid county ordinance or is there CCRs and an HOA involved?
I am of the opinion that CCR/HOA stupidity is largely coming from building departments - perhaps they won't allow a subdivision without them in many instances? At least I haven't heard of any building development in the last 40 years or so that doesn't have them. Yet another end run by a gov't agency.HOA. It's not nearly as restrictive as some I've been in or heard about, but that's a very common requirement. I'm not sure a 4/12 roof has been built here since the early 70s except on the most entry of entry level houses.
There's probably a crossover point with whether shallow or steep roofs are advantageous. A steeper shingle will absorb less impact energy from a falling hail stone, for example, and I think with wind, a more vertical shingle will better resist being lifted up and stripped off or moisture intrusion, while the larger cross section of a steeper roof is more at risk to the actual structure being removed from the house. So it might make more sense here since we don't have hurricanes.
I am of the opinion that CCR/HOA stupidity is largely coming from building departments - perhaps they won't allow a subdivision without them in many instances? At least I haven't heard of any building development in the last 40 years or so that doesn't have them. Yet another end run by a gov't agency.
There was apparently QUITE the fight with the Brevard county board a number of years ago. There were various ordinances on the books - including RV parking - that the people here got tired of. The board was told "You are NOT an HOA, if we wanted HOA rules, we would have bought a house in such a development. BUTT OUT!" Surprisingly, they did.I'm sure most are, and mine may have been copied from one that had that influence. Mine is in a rural county that doesn't even do permits though. It's pretty much the wild west.
Exactly! I was more miserable and cold marching across the flight line during the winter at night at Keesler AFB in humid Mississippi than I ever was when stationed at Grand Forks AFB in North Dakota where it reached -53 but with much lower humidity.And with FL’s humidity, 40s is pretty miserable. That’s coming from a guy who grew up where it’s routinely -20F, and the coldest temp I‘ve experienced is -54F! Some of my most uncomfortable outdoor experiences were just above freezing, with high humidity.
So... When you're in the desert and people all about the heat, the reply is already, "yeah, but it's a dry heat."Exactly! I was more miserable and cold marching across the flight line during the winter at night at Keesler AFB in humid Mississippi than I ever was when stationed at Grand Forks AFB in North Dakota where it reached -53 but with much lower humidity.
There was apparently QUITE the fight with the Brevard county board a number of years ago. There were various ordinances on the books - including RV parking - that the people here got tired of. The board was told "You are NOT an HOA, if we wanted HOA rules, we would have bought a house in such a development. BUTT OUT!" Surprisingly, they did.
High humidity matters for your comfort whether hot or cold. If you've never heard anyone say it, here you go:So... When you're in the desert and people all about the heat, the reply is already, "yeah, but it's a dry heat."
I've never heard anyone say the same about cold...
"How do you deal with this cold air?
"It's not too bad... It's a dry cold" lol
High humidity matters for your comfort whether hot or cold. If you've never heard anyone say it, here you go:
It's not about the cold, it's about the humidity!
30 in New Orleans is like -10 in MinnesotaTruth. 40 in Oklahoma is about as comfortable as 15 in Colorado.
ResourcefulPay close attention Jerry. You'll need to know how to deal with snakes too. Enjoy Florida.
And pretty ballsy…I am impressedResourceful
Yep my pops lives next to the alligator farm on the island,we will end up here too,north enough and next to the ocean it stays a lot cooler than southern Florida,but if you leave your car out it will rust quickly,the salt is in the air and sits on the car when you wake up!St. Augustine is a really cool place!