New Truck Discussion

Mike_H said:
My dad has a baby duramax 1500 High Country. Its a VERY nice truck. Its not a tow rig, but it would pull your jeep fine. For cruising and DD duties, it drives really well and he's getting really good milage with it (I think north of your posted estimate)
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I was looking at the diesel prices on my way home last night. Looks like it's about .80+ cents more per gallon, so don't know how viable this would be. Mentioned it to my wife and she's not thrilled about the idea, suggested researching diesel fuel prices projected for the next 10+ years. Will it get harder to find, etc.
 
suicideking said:
I was looking at the diesel prices on my way home last night. Looks like it's about .80+ cents more per gallon, so don't know how viable this would be. Mentioned it to my wife and she's not thrilled about the idea, suggested researching diesel fuel prices projected for the next 10+ years. Will it get harder to find, etc.
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Pump price at my local station is currently $3.799, fuel card price is $3.040.
 
Viking Jeeper said:
Oh yeah, that truck did not have cruise control either. Or power windows. Those might have been obvious without a radio! I drove the CA to report to NAS Miramar listening to a boom box. When I got there I bought a stereo for the truck. I was fine in CA without air but two years later I left CA on July 5 with a severe hangover for Missouri. There is a bit of desert in between.
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I do insist on cruise control and A/C. I can install a radio eventually. My '81 Datsun didn't come with a radio, and I just never got around to installing one. I'd pay extra to NOT have power windows, door locks, and esp. seats!
 
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Zorba said:
Unless things have changed, I don't buy enough fuel for a card to work for me. I haven't looked into one in many years though.
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It's no cost to you. If you have a truckstop to use it at it's worth it.

I only have a 34 gallon tank.

Here's the savings on the last 5 fills.

$16.20
$21.87
$27.24
$21.30
$25.96

Plus I can use the truck pumps with the high flow nozzles and I don't have to go in to pay. Takes longer to swipe the card and tell it I want fuel than it does to fill my tank.

And it works for pump def too, no discount though.
 
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Apparition said:
It's no cost to you. If you have a truckstop to use it at it's worth it.

I only have a 34 gallon tank.

Here's the savings on the last 5 fills.

$16.20
$21.87
$27.24
$21.30
$25.96

Plus I can use the truck pumps with the high flow nozzles and I don't have to go in to pay. Takes longer to swipe the card and tell it I want fuel than it does to fill my tank.

And it works for pump def too, no discount though.
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No monthly minimum?
 
Zorba said:
No monthly minimum?
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Nope, no cost at all to you. They take a cut (10%) out of the savings and some stations have a $0.65 fee for use that also comes out of the savings. The only time they make money is when you use the card and save money.
 
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suicideking said:
Ok, nice! Hadn't looked at that combo. Gas mileage is 21/23, so definitely a contender and still in the price range. Horse power is less, though might be worth it for the gas mileage. That's what I don't like about the F150 2.7EB: You get less HP without better gas mileage. I had that engine in my 2018 and never complained. Though not sure how much more it would cost for the diesel fuel.

This was one of the least expensive that I pulled up. Selected the 3.0, 4WD, Crew cab.
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GM bumped up the miles for the oil pump belt replacement, but still a hassle.

https://www.duramaxnews.com/post/the-real-cost-of-the-oil-pump-belt-3-0-duramax-diesel
 
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zebra12 said:
GM bumped up the miles for the oil pump belt replacement, but still a hassle.

[URL][URL]https://www.duramaxnews.com/post/the-real-cost-of-the-oil-pump-belt-3-0-duramax-diesel[/URL][/URL]
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The moral of that story (though stated for "entertainment use only") is to consider trading it in for something else at around 150 - 175K miles. This engine sounds like it would be fun to drive, but still more of a longshot for me due to availability of diesel fuel in a convienient spot at a price that would make it worth it. Additionally, I'm not going to put a lot of miles on what I end up buying. So I would have the advantage of many others reaching higher mileage before I would. So I'd be able to see how likely issues like this would be.

I still probably have around a year before I'm ready to buy something. Strongest contenders so far (though haven't test driven any of them), in order of likelyhood:

1. RAM 1500 with the Hemi 5.7
2. F150 with 3.5EB
3. Tundra with the V6 Turbo

Still interested, but less likely:

4. F150 with 2.7 (or even the V8 5.0)
5. Chevy Duramax 3.0 diesel
6. Gladiator

Another issue to mention with the strongest contender, RAM 1500. This is the last year for the Hemi 5.7. The 2025 engine with be an I6 3.0 turbo which will have option of a 420HP or higher spec'd 540HP. I'd be getting the 420HP, but often think first year anything is a bad idea. So that will be something to reasearch. Possibly buy one of the 2024 that is left over.

Currently we have the opposite problem of Covid production. When we got the 2019 Expedition new in mid 2021, there was very limited inventory. Vehicles aren't selling right now. So if that doesn't change much, could be good as far as availabitly. Not so much regarding loans and the economy.

Also have to see how the used market is at that time. Could get something above with low miles and get an extended warranty.
 
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suicideking said:
Still interested, but less likely:

4. F150 with 2.7 (or even the V8 5.0)
5. Chevy Duramax 3.0 diesel
6. Gladiator
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I have the e-torque system on my Ram and it takes a little getting used to but now I don't mind. I've always hated the start-stop function on vehicles but with the e-torque you don't noticed nearly as much because it's the e-torque starting the truck up instead of the starter. Most passengers don't even notice it.

I really liked the 3.0 duramax because it is an inline 6 and I'm pretty sure it doesn't have cylinder deactivation like most of the V-8s. Diesel costing more than gas sucks but with the MPG higher it is pretty close to the same cost. I think the biggest issues are the oil pump belt (200,000 miles is a lot of miles though) and I think the recommended oil can be a pain to find.
 
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suicideking said:
The moral of that story (though stated for "entertainment use only") is to consider trading it in for something else at around 150 - 175K miles. This engine sounds like it would be fun to drive, but still more of a longshot for me due to availability of diesel fuel in a convienient spot at a price that would make it worth it. Additionally, I'm not going to put a lot of miles on what I end up buying. So I would have the advantage of many others reaching higher mileage before I would. So I'd be able to see how likely issues like this would be.

I still probably have around a year before I'm ready to buy something. Strongest contenders so far (though haven't test driven any of them), in order of likelyhood:

1. RAM 1500 with the Hemi 5.7
2. F150 with 3.5EB
3. Tundra with the V6 Turbo

Still interested, but less likely:

4. F150 with 2.7 (or even the V8 5.0)
5. Chevy Duramax 3.0 diesel
6. Gladiator

Another issue to mention with the strongest contender, RAM 1500. This is the last year for the Hemi 5.7. The 2025 engine with be an I6 3.0 turbo which will have option of a 420HP or higher spec'd 540HP. I'd be getting the 420HP, but often think first year anything is a bad idea. So that will be something to reasearch. Possibly buy one of the 2024 that is left over.

Currently we have the opposite problem of Covid production. When we got the 2019 Expedition new in mid 2021, there was very limited inventory. Vehicles aren't selling right now. So if that doesn't change much, could be good as far as availabitly. Not so much regarding loans and the economy.

Also have to see how the used market is at that time. Could get something above with low miles and get an extended warranty.
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You are kicking around a diesel don’t forget to factor in maintenance and repair costs. On my 21 5.0 f150 the dealer quoted me $120 for an oil change. Diesels use a lot more oil, they should be more reliable but not always the case. Parts and labor can turn a small repair expensive. Labor is pushing $200 an hour and diesel injectors are $300 to $500 each. I was certified on the Ford 6.0 when it first came out they had their problems. Everything in a modem engine has gotten too complicated and too many moving pieces.
 
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NskLJ said:
You are kicking around a diesel don’t forget to factor in maintenance and repair costs. On my 21 5.0 f150 the dealer quoted me $120 for an oil change. Diesels use a lot more oil, they should be more reliable but not always the case. Parts and labor can turn a small repair expensive. Labor is pushing $200 an hour and diesel injectors are $300 to $500 each. I was certified on the Ford 6.0 when it first came out they had their problems. Everything in a modem engine has gotten too complicated and too many moving pieces.
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Yep - and diesels need the oil changed more frequently too. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for 100% diesel power 100% of the time, Hell I'd run a diesel lawn mower if I could find one (and I still mowed my own grass). But the modern diesels have waaay too much crap on them for long term reliability, nevermind the "technology" in the vehicle itself that has nothing to do with the engine or anything else for that matter.
 
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NskLJ said:
You are kicking around a diesel don’t forget to factor in maintenance and repair costs. On my 21 5.0 f150 the dealer quoted me $120 for an oil change. Diesels use a lot more oil, they should be more reliable but not always the case. Parts and labor can turn a small repair expensive. Labor is pushing $200 an hour and diesel injectors are $300 to $500 each. I was certified on the Ford 6.0 when it first came out they had their problems. Everything in a modem engine has gotten too complicated and too many moving pieces.
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I change the oil in my powerstroke about every 10k. Costs me less than $100 for 13 quarts of synthetic and a filter.

About $50 for fuel filters every 15k.

It has cost me under $400 total in maintenance and I’m a month from being 3 years since I drove it off the lot.

If I was buying a half ton I’d be looking for a whippled 5.0 F150 4x4.
 
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ColoJeep said:
This would be a cool truck !
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Not that hard to get

https://www.pellcityford.com/f-150-sleeper-order/

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Q: What if I don’t want a 2-wheel drive truck? How much is it to add 4×4?​

A: For the 2024 Model Year, Ford is charging $5,015 extra to go from our “Sleeper Promotion vehicle” to a 4×4. So in this situation, the price would be $5,015 more than the promotion of $46,998. So the total would be $52,013 plus your taxes and fees.
 
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Apparition said:
Not that hard to get

https://www.pellcityford.com/f-150-sleeper-order/

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Q: What if I don’t want a 2-wheel drive truck? How much is it to add 4×4?​

A: For the 2024 Model Year, Ford is charging $5,015 extra to go from our “Sleeper Promotion vehicle” to a 4×4. So in this situation, the price would be $5,015 more than the promotion of $46,998. So the total would be $52,013 plus your taxes and fees.
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Although too rich for my blood , this is way cool , a RCSB with a blown 5.0 4x4 would be fun and hold it's value. If the Cam phaser's didn't explode .
Chevy won't build a RCSB with a LS . and screw their turboed 4 banger ! it just screams VW style reliability to be. Thanks Mary. :rolleyes:
 
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