The tail should not wag the dog

pagrey said:
I get what you are saying but workers do have this choice. They have the right to organize and make demands and hurt the bottom line, even push the company out of business. That's the law here until people change it.
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Is California a compulsory union state?
 
pagrey said:
I get what you are saying but workers do have this choice. They have the right to organize and make demands and hurt the bottom line, even push the company out of business. That's the law here until people change it.
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And the the employer has a right to fire any employee that does not work. If they push the employer out of business they are out of a job. Maybe they can have the union support them.
 
pagrey said:
You don't seem to understand, if I am an independent contractor, employ tens of thousands of workers or have a small business with a few workers, even if I am just a worker I still have to follow the law as it stands. And as it stands workers have rights.

You don't like it, change the law and stop whining. You get how you are the one complaining about how the law is now right?
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Mr. Bills said:
Why do any of us even need a job? Won't Bernie & Friends take care of us?
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Lol.
 
The whole protest makes no sense. the workers aren't protesting the company they work for, they are protesting the non profit company BCFS that is providing furniture (comfort) to illegal immigrants. they are essentially protesting the fact that there are detention camps and those camps are inhumane, at the same time taking away any humane provisions provided by a non-profit and whether they see it or not, pushing their employer closer to bankruptcy, essentially ending their own employment. I may not agree with the those idiots, but I will defend their right to walk out. I will also defend the companies right to fire every last one of them. Not due to the fact that they are staging a walk out, but due to the fact that they are too dumb to be employed.
 
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pagrey said:
An employer cannot fire a worker that refuses to work when there is a lawful strike. You probably know that and want to argue the point, whatever.
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I didn't write anything about a "lawful" strike. Get off the whoa is me employee crap. Until you put yourself in an employers shoes and see the bullshit they have to put up with employment an a daily basis, keep quiet. Employees that walk out of work for some political issue is not a "lawful" excuse. It's a personal issue that should be taken up on their own time. And missing work for it is flat out wrong. If you want to protest something, that's fine. Put in for time off for it so employment has time to cover for it.
 
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pagrey said:
So you are going to stop using this company for political reasons? How does that make sense, you either keep politics out of business or you don't. If they raise prices then I could understand but yes you are being totally hypocritical making business decisions based on politics because another company has employees making decisions based on politics.
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I ignore politics until they don't. Once they invite me in, let's dance.
 
Sundowner said:
That wasn't my read of the objection. From what he said, he's ceasing business relations with the vendor pending a walk-off on the part of the employees; at no time were any political ideologies expressed. Rather, it's about employee actions and that effect on business, and it has nothing to do with what anyone believes (although that may be the motivating factor). Blaine, correct me if I've misunderstood you.
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You have not.
 
pagrey said:
He was discussing selecting his business partner based on how they run their company and their employees rather than based on product and cost. That is a decision based on politics, it isn't based on business. I see saying that you don't think employees should strike as a political ideology.
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Once your company turns activist by choice or not, you have entered into the political arena. Once you enter that arena, then my belief system forces me to accommodate you and I won't do business with you. Business is business, let's keep it that way.
 
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pagrey said:
I always figured worker protections, the right to form unions were things that made us a better place when compared to China and other places. Funny how times change. Now it's whatever the boss says is rule and if the workers don't like it they can find a job somewhere else. How did this happen? Unions and worker protections make a middle class and when they disappear so does the middle class.
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It happens when unions stop being the good thing that defined their need and start dabbling in shit that stops the good.


This quote is exactly what leads to pretty much every example of worker exploitation in history. It's always in the bosses best business interests for you to be poor and powerless.
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At one point in time perhaps, but this isn't about unions, this is about a company allowing its employees to run the show. That's not their job.
 
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Mr. Bills said:
Lest we forget, the sole purpose of a corporation is to provide a return on investment to its shareholders. It is certainly not to make the world a "better place," to protect the moral fabric of society, or to refrain from offending the sensibilities of AOC and her ilk.

Any corporate board member or executive who forgets this and bases his or her business decisions on personal values rather than making money for the corporation's shareholders deserves to be removed.
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Precisely.
 
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S.McArthur said:
They are walking out in support of a political ideology, not due to poor/sub-standard working conditions; big difference. Their job is to supply furniture to a consumer, it's literally in their mission statement, the employees understand this when they apply/accept the position.
This "protest" is personal opinions of a group of people whom just happen to work at the same company and should not be allowed on company time.
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Exactly.
 
pagrey said:
I get what you are saying but workers do have this choice. They have the right to organize and make demands and hurt the bottom line, even push the company out of business. That's the law here until people change it.
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They are using personal ideology to force the company or try and force the company to limit who it sells to. That's pure bullshit.
 
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Hook_62 said:
The whole protest makes no sense. the workers aren't protesting the company they work for, they are protesting the non profit company BCFS that is providing furniture (comfort) to illegal immigrants. they are essentially protesting the fact that there are detention camps and those camps are inhumane, at the same time taking away any humane provisions provided by a non-profit and whether they see it or not, pushing their employer closer to bankruptcy, essentially ending their own employment. I may not agree with the those idiots, but I will defend their right to walk out. I will also defend the companies right to fire every last one of them. Not due to the fact that they are staging a walk out, but due to the fact that they are too dumb to be employed.
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I fully agree they have the right to walk. I have the right to express how I feel with how much I spend there in the future.
 
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