Wildman's TJ is getting a face lift

Wildman said:
Yes I am beginning to understand this more. I think to be on the safe side I would want to limit droop to 20" and not 21" but maybe I am being overly cautious. I know ORO doesn't build anything like this so it will be interesting to see how the system handles this much travel.
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It really comes down to using the bag as a limiter, shock, or strap.
 
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Wildman said:
I guess I need to realize I am not going to be flexing this thing to it's limits more than 2-4% of the time if that.
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What possible goofy ass set of parameters did you use to arrive at that fucked up conclusion? If you asked me, it would be the exact opposite. You may go on some mild ass trail where you aren't diagonalled out 2-4% of the time. That is unless all you plan on wheeling on are Forest Service roads.
 
jjvw said:
That likely isn't full stuff. For your purposes, you need to mimic the shock travels. The high side needs to be where the shock is compressed, the low side needs to be where the shock is fully extended. In my picture, that is where my axle is. The inner sidewall on the high side is going to interfere with things.
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@jjvw how much effort does it require to turn your tire by hand?
 
mrblaine said:
What possible goofy ass set of parameters did you use to arrive at that fucked up conclusion? If you asked me, it would be the exact opposite. You may go on some mild ass trail where you aren't diagonalled out 2-4% of the time. That is unless all you plan on wheeling on are Forest Service roads.
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I pulled it out of my ass. I don't remember having my Jeep flex out to the max very often is where I got it from. Not all our trails require that much flex. They aren't forest service roads but they aren't Johnson Valley either. How often would you say you are at max flex?

And see this is why I want to come visit JV and see what all they
hype is about.
 
Wildman said:
And I thought earlier in this discussion I was told there wasn't anyway for me to get 14" of travel in the rear of my Jeep? I get the point that you want to try to set the ride height in the middle of the shock travel. This much I do understand which is hardly nothing compared to some of you.



Okay this I can do. I know my limit is 21" for the bag plus adapter. So I can measure down from the frame to that amount. And then I stuff the other side to see what hit or doesn't.
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Your driveshaft is most likely your limiting factor.
 
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Wildman said:
I pulled it out of my ass. I don't remember having my Jeep flex out to the max very often is where I got it from. Not all our trails require that much flex. They aren't forest service roads but they aren't Johnson Valley either. How often would you say you are at max flex?

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I like to downplay the difficultly of Colorado trails, but I think I need to reassess my feelings. :)
 
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And to be honest I was being conservative but I would still only say it's flex out 10-12% of the time. That is unless you are driving over stuff just to make your rig flex.

Blackjack said:
Your driveshaft is most likely your limiting factor.
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Yes I agree. With the rear stretch I'm gaining a few inches and will be at 26.75" long now. So that will help a little bit.
 
jjvw said:
I like to downplay the difficultly of Colorado trails, but I think I need to reassess my feelings. :)
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But does difficulty always equate to having your rig flexed out to the max? A lot of our trails are hard but it isn't due to crawling VW sized boulders and such. It's the soil or the wetness. Or the slick roots & rootballs you are trying to climb over.
 
Wildman said:
And to be honest I was being conservative but I would still only say it's flex out 10-12% of the time. That is unless you are driving over stuff just to make your rig flex.



Yes I agree. With the rear stretch I'm gaining a few inches and will be at 26.75" long now. So that will help a little bit.
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You can also run a center limit strap as well.
 
Blackjack said:
You can also run a center limit strap as well.
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Yes if I have to that is the plan right now. I'm running 1350 u-joints so I know I can't get as much angle as the 1310's. I have JE Reel shafts and with the Nth Degree suspension I never had any issues BUT the shocks were only a 10" travel shock also.
 
Wildman said:
But does difficulty always equate to having your rig flexed out to the max? A lot of our trails are hard but it isn't due to crawling VW sized boulders and such. It's the soil or the wetness. Or the slick roots & rootballs you are trying to climb over.
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It's a tool in the tool box. Many of our dirt roads have big dips and holes that will swallow a tire. It's fun to be able to go straight through where others need to navigate over and around.
 
jjvw said:
It's a tool in the tool box. Many of our dirt roads have big dips and holes that will swallow a tire. It's fun to be able to go straight through where others need to navigate over and around.
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Hehehe, we got some ruts that will swallow your Jeep if you aren't careful.

BuildBreakRepeat said:
Something that a LCOG rig fails miserably at, along with other stuff. Uptravel for life.
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Isn't that idea gone by the way side like a mullet?
 
I just want to say THANK YOU again to everyone who is trying to help me through this and offering assistance. This is truely turning into a learning experiance that I am scratching my head a lot as I trying to grasp all this.

@mrblaine if I was to build a small mounting plate for the adapter to sit onto on the inside of the frame what size/thickness metal would I need. I'm thinking something to support the adapter that sits inside the frame.

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Have to clear the tub also. But a flat plate sticking off the frame and some triangle pieces to help support the plate.
 
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