Novak Conversions Jeep Wrangler TJ radiator

The grass is greener, get the F out of your home state thread

I couldn't move to CA. Because I would have to use my savings to buy a smaller house than what I own now. I couldn't bring my "arsenal" with me for fear of becoming a felon. I'd make basically what I do here salary wise. And my cars probably wouldn't pass emissions requirements because I've never had to check before. So smaller house, car and home loans, same income, no savings, no $2/gallon gas …. .

It's easy enough to visit the places I want to see. We take a week a year and 2 weeks every other year to go places like LA, SF, NYC, Napa Valley, Florida, Paris, London, Rome, Colorado, Skiing, etc. We've traveled to every place we want to see and we have no debt and lots set aside. That's what living in boring flyover country can get you if you look really hard for the right job.

Of course, out there in the larger CA cities, if you ever have an upset stomach you don't need to find a place to go to the bathroom. Anywhere on the street works just fine. Make sure to log it in the poop app though. 🤭

My brother lived in the LA area up in the mountains by Lake Arrowhead for 25 years. Every time we came to visit, he'd show us around and finally get to do the fun stuff there is to do. Otherwise, he would go to work and go home and night, just like we do here. Sure there's more to do in some areas of the country. But 99.9% of people do the same thing on a weekly basis. Go to work, take care of the family, work on the house, go back to work. Sure, I'd love the mountains to get outdoors in near where I live. But given my work schedule, I doubt I'd get out to enjoy it as much as I dream about. I'd have to take vacation and schedule it just like I do from here. I might gain a weekend or two skiing, or at the lake, or in the mountains a year at best.

If you can make even close to the salary you make in CA in some other states, you only need to make sure there's an airport near where you live and the world's your playground. I have 5 or 6 more states to go see before I've been to all of them and 2 more countries on my list to visit. Then it's just going to do different things in some of them I've already seen. Not much different than someone in LA taking time off to go to SF, Tahoe, or Vegas to check them out.

Oh, and $800,000 will buy you a 5,200 sq ft house on 5 acres here. You could probably convert the home gym to another bedroom too if you decided you need 7. If you want more land it probably wouldn't be hard to find a $500,000-$600,000 acreage with a smaller 3,500-4,000 sq ft house on 10-15 acres. They go up in price if there's a pond and the land is suitable for farming. But then our property taxes will come kick you in the balls and you'll end up paying $800-1000/month for taxes on something like that.

I'm not a fan of LA so I wouldn't live there even without the weirdness and restrictions of CA. If I wanted mountains, there are plenty of places around the country with them. Or I can take a week or two off and rent a really nice place around the Dillon reservoir in Colorado, and get my fill each summer or winter. I've done the drive multiple times. It's not too bad. We normally end up at Lake of the Ozarks a long weekend or week each year. That's only 5-1/2 hours away. About like driving from LAX to my brother's place by Arrowhead if your plane lands too close to rush hour; but much less stressful driving through Iowa and Missouri.

Out here, we're accustomed to driving. Minneapolis 7 hours, Chicago 9, Denver 8, KC 3, Lake of the Ozarks 5-1/2 to 6, etc. There's a lot to do in a 9 driving hour radius. The last time I was in LA it took me almost 2 hours to get the 30 miles from Hollywood to the rental place by Disney. So they have a different definition of distance and time out there. That gets me about to the Kansas City Airport 170 miles from here.
 
Last edited:
  • Like
Reactions: Rick Flair and ejay
I couldn't move to CA. Because I would have to use my savings to buy a smaller house than what I own now. I couldn't bring my "arsenal" with me for fear of becoming a felon. I'd make basically what I do here salary wise. And my cars probably wouldn't pass emissions requirements because I've never had to check before. So smaller house, car and home loans, same income, no savings, no $2/gallon gas …. .

It's easy enough to visit the places I want to see. We take a week a year and 2 weeks every other year to go places like LA, SF, NYC, Napa Valley, Florida, Paris, London, Rome, Colorado, Skiing, etc. We've traveled to every place we want to see and we have no debt and lots set aside. That's what living in boring flyover country can get you if you look really hard for the right job.

Of course, out there in the larger CA cities, if you ever have an upset stomach you don't need to find a place to go to the bathroom. Anywhere on the street works just fine. Make sure to log it in the poop app though. 🤭

My brother lived in the LA area up in the mountains by Lake Arrowhead for 25 years. Every time we came to visit, he'd show us around and finally get to do the fun stuff there is to do. Otherwise, he would go to work and go home and night, just like we do here. Sure there's more to do in some areas of the country. But 99.9% of people do the same thing on a weekly basis. Go to work, take care of the family, work on the house, go back to work. Sure, I'd love the mountains to get outdoors in near where I live. But given my work schedule, I doubt I'd get out to enjoy it as much as I dream about. I'd have to take vacation and schedule it just like I do from here. I might gain a weekend or two skiing, or at the lake, or in the mountains a year at best.

If you can make even close to the salary you make in CA in some other states, you only need to make sure there's an airport near where you live and the world's your playground. I have 5 or 6 more states to go see before I've been to all of them and 2 more countries on my list to visit. Then it's just going to do different things in some of them I've already seen. Not much different than someone in LA taking time off to go to SF, Tahoe, or Vegas to check them out.

Oh, and $800,000 will buy you a 5,200 sq ft house on 5 acres here. You could probably convert the home gym to another bedroom too if you decided you need 7. If you want more land it probably wouldn't be hard to find a $500,000-$600,000 acreage with a smaller 3,500-4,000 sq ft house on 10-15 acres. They go up in price if there's a pond and the land is suitable for farming. But then our property taxes will come kick you in the balls and you'll end up paying $800-1000/month for taxes on something like that.

I'm not a fan of LA so I wouldn't live there even without the weirdness and restrictions of CA. If I wanted mountains, there are plenty of places around the country with them. Or I can take a week or two off and rent a really nice place around the Dillon reservoir in Colorado, and get my fill each summer or winter. I've done the drive multiple times. It's not too bad. We normally end up at Lake of the Ozarks a long weekend or week each year. That's only 5-1/2 hours away. About like driving from LAX to my brother's place by Arrowhead if your plane lands too close to rush hour; but much less stressful driving through Iowa and Missouri.

Out here, we're accustomed to driving. Minneapolis 7 hours, Chicago 9, Denver 8, KC 3, Lake of the Ozarks 5-1/2 to 6, etc. There's a lot to do in a 9 driving hour radius. The last time I was in LA it took me almost 2 hours to get the 30 miles from Hollywood to the rental place by Disney. So they have a different definition of distance and time out there. That gets me about to the Kansas City Airport 170 miles from here.
Not hating but it sounds like all you look forward to in Omaha is getting out of Omaha.
 
Its just a smaller version of Atlanta, or Dallas/FTW. Flat suburbs and strip malls.

The only thing I've ever done in Atlanta or Dallas is rent a car at the airport and drive out of the city. :LOL:
 
Its just a smaller version of Atlanta, or Dallas/FTW Flat suburbs.

The only thing I've ever done in Atlanta or Dallas is rent a car at the airport and drive out of the city. :LOL:
I hear you, I agree that the city isn’t for me. I’m not a massive supporter of Atlanta because the traffic here is atrocious but the outlying areas are very nice.
 
  • Like
Reactions: InOmaha
the outlying areas are very nice.

I heard.
the-walking-dead-season-2-farm-funeral1.jpg
 
I have a friend that tested positive for the CCP virus in Virginia. Career military. All the excuse he needed to get out of the military and move back to Idaho where he loved to live a while back. All six of his kids and his wife. If that's all he's thinking of it's worth a look again.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Rick Flair
I have a friend that tested positive for the CCP virus in Virginia. Career military. All the excuse he needed to get out of the military and move back to Idaho where he loved to live a while back. All six of his kids and his wife. If that's all he's thinking of it's worth a look again.

Where at in Idaho?
 
I have a friend that tested positive for the CCP virus in Virginia. Career military. All the excuse he needed to get out of the military and move back to Idaho where he loved to live a while back. All six of his kids and his wife. If that's all he's thinking of it's worth a look again.
I applied for a Geologist position over in Salmon/Challis in Idaho. Looked like a gorgeous place to live.

I think I might end up around Glacier National Park someday.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Rick Flair
Driggs, Idaho looks nice. I really like the Tetons. I'd prefer to be on the Wyoming side, because I want less taxes. I'll have to run the property cost and tax numbers when we make the move in 5 years.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Rick Flair
I'm certain I couldn't hack the northeast.

At least in the PNW, we have beautiful outdoors spaces to offset the Marxism.

I'm in northern NJ so I have really nice outdoors spaces. I'm also 40 minutes from PA.
I have plenty of places to hike, fish and hunt. I love 3 of the 4 seasons. I hate the hot humid summers though.
What I can't stand about this state is the guns laws. The fact that unless your ex LE you cannot get a carriers permit.
The property taxes are outrageous. We are a sanctuary states so all the illegals come here. Our Governor is a laughing stock. WE have tons of bleeding heart liberals. Housing prices are expensive.
I would move my family out of here in a heartbeat but, my wife wants down south. I want up north (maine, vermont) or out midwest. We can't come to a compromise.
Our parents are here, they are older and need our help.
So I'm stuck right now
 
  • Sad
  • Like
Reactions: ejay and Rick Flair
I feel your pain, I lived in SOCAL for a few years and then went to Tucson. Tucson is a nice smaller city that is scenic with lots of good places to wheel. The politics here have turned far left, and is very corrupt, which has wrecked the job market and standard of living, but there are pockets of livable areas. The state is still somewhat red and gun rights are respected here; at least for now. Tons of Californians moving here which will soon turn the state fully blue.

Have you considered Missouri? I was born and raised in Kansas City, MO. The city has it's typical big city problems but not as amplified as other big cities. Job market is good with all types of industry. The suburbs are pretty conservative, especially Johnson County on the Kansas side (Higher taxes but better schools and roads). Housing has pretty much any price range you want from the ghetto to million dollar homes. There are areas where you can buy some land and still be 45 minutes from downtown. KC has more highway miles per capita than any other city.

Weather is hot and somewhat humid in the summer, and cold to sometimes bitterly cold in the winter. Decent snow fall on occasion, and ice is common. They have a saying there, "if you don't like the weather, wait a few hours and it will change". I've seen 70 on Feb. 1st and then 10 degrees on Feb. 2nd. Some decent lakes in the area and the Ozarks are not too far away if you like boating.

Wheeling is pretty much confined to mudding so not as good as the southwest, but I haven't lived there in 20 years, so maybe there is more now. Not as pretty of a state as other areas people are describing on this forum, but the people are nice and I believe there are jobs.

Good luck!
 
  • Like
Reactions: ejay
I feel your pain, I lived in SOCAL for a few years and then went to Tucson. Tucson is a nice smaller city that is scenic with lots of good places to wheel. The politics here have turned far left, and is very corrupt, which has wrecked the job market and standard of living, but there are pockets of livable areas. The state is still somewhat red and gun rights are respected here; at least for now. Tons of Californians moving here which will soon turn the state fully blue.

Have you considered Missouri? I was born and raised in Kansas City, MO. The city has it's typical big city problems but not as amplified as other big cities. Job market is good with all types of industry. The suburbs are pretty conservative, especially Johnson County on the Kansas side (Higher taxes but better schools and roads). Housing has pretty much any price range you want from the ghetto to million dollar homes. There are areas where you can buy some land and still be 45 minutes from downtown. KC has more highway miles per capita than any other city.

Weather is hot and somewhat humid in the summer, and cold to sometimes bitterly cold in the winter. Decent snow fall on occasion, and ice is common. They have a saying there, "if you don't like the weather, wait a few hours and it will change". I've seen 70 on Feb. 1st and then 10 degrees on Feb. 2nd. Some decent lakes in the area and the Ozarks are not too far away if you like boating.

Wheeling is pretty much confined to mudding so not as good as the southwest, but I haven't lived there in 20 years, so maybe there is more now. Not as pretty of a state as other areas people are describing on this forum, but the people are nice and I believe there are jobs.

Good luck!
I moved a buddy into University in Tucson years and years ago. I had a lot of fun there. I've avoided it ever since. LOL

Can't say the Missouri or Kansas areas have been on the list. My half brother moved to Kansas and absolutely hated it. Closest I've looked is Tennessee. Only because my wife suggested it.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Rick Flair
you all need to move to the communist state of NJ to get a real appreciation for life.

Left there almost 4 years ago and for the most part don't miss a dam thing except the afternoon thunderstorms as it is a rare occurrence around gere and the wide variety of food as there is not a Bagel within 50 miles of here.

As far as the state having a hand in everyone's pocket 24-7 it has been a breath of fresh air here.
 
  • Like
Reactions: ejay and Rick Flair
Novak Conversions Jeep Wrangler TJ radiator