PC1P's 1998 Jeep TJ Build - "Ophelia"

Is the MotoBilt a lot cheaper?
The comparable GR tank is the new Alien Crawler, which is a 15 Gal tank and compatible with rear coils/shocks. It’s $1299 for 97-04 models and $1499 for 05-06 (which is what I would need for the Hemi compatible fuel module and pump). They also suggest frame sleeves for an extra $20. It allows for 9” of stretch.

https://genright.com/products/alien-crawler-gas-tank-skid-plate-15-gal-jeep-tj-lj.html
The MB tank is $899 and is also 15 gallons, but it only rated to 6” of stretch. The MB tank requires use of a 05-06 style fuel module.

https://motobilt.com/products/alum-fuel-tank-steel-skid-for-jeep-tj-lj
 
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The comparable GR tank is the new Alien Crawler, which is a 15 Gal tank and compatible with rear coils/shocks. It’s $1299 for 97-04 models and $1499 for 05-06 (which is what I would need for the Hemi compatible fuel module and pump). They also suggest frame sleeves for an extra $20. It allows for 9” of stretch.

https://genright.com/products/alien-crawler-gas-tank-skid-plate-15-gal-jeep-tj-lj.html
The MB tank is $899 and is also 15 gallons, but it only rated to 6” of stretch. The MB tank requires use of a 05-06 style fuel module.

https://motobilt.com/products/alum-fuel-tank-steel-skid-for-jeep-tj-lj
Damn, that’s what I would call significantly cheaper!
 
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If you read @starkey480 build thread recently, you may have noticed that there are some changes coming to my build. As I've noted a few times, we have been trying to move up north to Flagstaff for some time now, We miss the seasons and would like to be in an area that the kids can actually go outside in the summer. We have felt for a while now that we are living a "backwards" life - where we are stuck indoors all summer and have to do everything during the winter (while also doing things like sports, activities, school, etc). It's just not conducive to a healthy, balanced life in our opinion and have wanted to change

Unfortunately, the Flagstaff housing market has exploded over the past 2 years, thanks in part to retiring or relocating Californians and Asian investors. A modest 1800-2100 sq-ft home with a 1/3 acre plot is listing for $550-575k and are selling for $625-650k and even at this price point, the houses are often dated and in need of at least some remodel.

Here's one of the houses we put an offer on:
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It was cute - though a bit on the small side at 1680 sq-ft. It had a good sized yard and plenty of room to build a shop in the back/side yard. It was also in a great, quiet neighborhood with a good school nearby. It needed some upgrades and remodeling, as evidenced by the pink tile bathroom sink and carpet...

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It was originally listed at $475K, which would have been great as this would have left us with some cash on hand to do some significant remodeling rather quickly. We put in what we thought would have been a competitive offer ($485k, with a shortened inspection window since we could go view and hire an inspector quickly). The house ended up closing in 10 days, with two cash offers after 3 days, with the top offer of $530k... 🤦‍♂️ The other two houses we considered ended up going for $75,000 and $80,000 over asking price and also closed (not contracted, actually closed!) in ~20 days.

After doing some soul searching and thinking about it some, we have decided that we are going to move back to northeast PA. I have a lot of friends that are still back there, including my best friend and college roommate. Housing is way cheaper, career opportunity is higher (Flagstaff was always "high risk" in that regard), there are seasons and plenty of good schools in the area, and we have a lot of nostalgia for the region. Plus, NYC (my birth town) is only 2 hours away - we can have our country home and city-getaway in close proximity.

So, what does this mean for the build? Well, PA needs fenders and probably won't really benefit from the Savvy MidArm kit. As a result, I sold Starkey my brand-new GenRight Boulders and will be going back to the GenRight 4" aluminum fenders (non Hi-Fender, since it's not really needed now). There will be some risk, since even with the 4" front fenders and 4" rear "Extreme" flares, the 35" x 12.5" tires will stick out ever so slightly (PA law actually says the tread must be covered, though it's often misinterpreted by local cops). This won't be a daily, just a nice weather toy, so hopefully no one bothers me too much :)

For the rest of the build, nothing really changes. The stretch will still make it fine for longer climbs up rutted forest roads and wood trails, and the Hemi will still be awesome. What it really means is that I need to get moving at the speed of light now to get this completed by the end of May. This means paint, body, motor and everything completed so that I can use June to shake down and beta test and then ultimately move in July.

Speaking of which, time to get moving - this bumper ain't gonna mount itself... :)
 
If you read @starkey480 build thread recently, you may have noticed that there are some changes coming to my build. As I've noted a few times, we have been trying to move up north to Flagstaff for some time now, We miss the seasons and would like to be in an area that the kids can actually go outside in the summer. We have felt for a while now that we are living a "backwards" life - where we are stuck indoors all summer and have to do everything during the winter (while also doing things like sports, activities, school, etc). It's just not conducive to a healthy, balanced life in our opinion and have wanted to change

Unfortunately, the Flagstaff housing market has exploded over the past 2 years, thanks in part to retiring or relocating Californians and Asian investors. A modest 1800-2100 sq-ft home with a 1/3 acre plot is listing for $550-575k and are selling for $625-650k and even at this price point, the houses are often dated and in need of at least some remodel.

Here's one of the houses we put an offer on:
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It was cute - though a bit on the small side at 1680 sq-ft. It had a good sized yard and plenty of room to build a shop in the back/side yard. It was also in a great, quiet neighborhood with a good school nearby. It needed some upgrades and remodeling, as evidenced by the pink tile bathroom sink and carpet...

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It was originally listed at $475K, which would have been great as this would have left us with some cash on hand to do some significant remodeling rather quickly. We put in what we thought would have been a competitive offer ($485k, with a shortened inspection window since we could go view and hire an inspector quickly). The house ended up closing in 10 days, with two cash offers after 3 days, with the top offer of $530k... 🤦‍♂️ The other two houses we considered ended up going for $75,000 and $80,000 over asking price and also closed (not contracted, actually closed!) in ~20 days.

After doing some soul searching and thinking about it some, we have decided that we are going to move back to northeast PA. I have a lot of friends that are still back there, including my best friend and college roommate. Housing is way cheaper, career opportunity is higher (Flagstaff was always "high risk" in that regard), there are seasons and plenty of good schools in the area, and we have a lot of nostalgia for the region. Plus, NYC (my birth town) is only 2 hours away - we can have our country home and city-getaway in close proximity.

So, what does this mean for the build? Well, PA needs fenders and probably won't really benefit from the Savvy MidArm kit. As a result, I sold Starkey my brand-new GenRight Boulders and will be going back to the GenRight 4" aluminum fenders (non Hi-Fender, since it's not really needed now). There will be some risk, since even with the 4" front fenders and 4" rear "Extreme" flares, the 35" x 12.5" tires will stick out ever so slightly (PA law actually says the tread must be covered, though it's often misinterpreted by local cops). This won't be a daily, just a nice weather toy, so hopefully no one bothers me too much :)

For the rest of the build, nothing really changes. The stretch will still make it fine for longer climbs up rutted forest roads and wood trails, and the Hemi will still be awesome. What it really means is that I need to get moving at the speed of light now to get this completed by the end of May. This means paint, body, motor and everything completed so that I can use June to shake down and beta test and then ultimately move in July.

Speaking of which, time to get moving - this bumper ain't gonna mount itself... :)
The housing market is insane right now. Homes here are also going for 15-20% over the asking price and selling extremely quickly. We would like to move to a larger house with an additional bedroom so the kids can all have their own room but in the bay area, assuming you want a good school district, you're looking at a house that is priced over a million and looks like a dump compared to 500k homes in AZ. I guess you can see why so many people are leaving CA....

Good luck with the move.
 
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Wow I don't know if I could move anywhere east of the Mississippi but since you're from that area I can understand.
PA has some beautiful country and as you said the cost of living is lower in many places back east.

Good luck and will be watching to see how your TJ adapts to it's new home.
 
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My sister-in-law and her husband just moved north from PA. They were in Gettysburg and Valley Forge. Certainly some beautiful spots around there. Good luck!
 
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Good luck on the move. Where in NE PA are you targeting? I have a bunch of family in PA, mainly down around the Hanover and Phily areas. I used to ski the Poconos occasionally.
 
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Wow... That's crazy. I have the house you described...1/3 acre lot, 1750 sq feet, 3 bed 2 bath, 2 stall attached and a 24 x 30 heated shop detached. Good schools. My house would probably list for 275,000... I've been here 18 years and the value has more than doubled in that time.

I'd image PA will be similar, but maybe a little higher with your proximity to nyc.
 
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Good luck on the move. Where in NE PA are you targeting? I have a bunch of family in PA, mainly down around the Hanover and Phily areas. I used to ski the Poconos occasionally.
Actually moving to the Poconos/Scranton area... undecided on exactly where, but I have a bunch of friends in the area, so we are looking at school options (I'm sure much has changed in the past 16 years, so just doing a double check there), taxes, etc.
 
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Actually moving to the Poconos/Scranton area... undecided on exactly where, but I have a bunch of friends in the area, so we are looking at school options (I'm sure much has changed in the past 16 years, so just doing a double check there), taxes, etc.
Years ago I stayed in Scranton at this old train station which had been turned into a hotel. It was very cool, but I remember the snow being a bit coal colored as it was late in the winter. Cool old town as I recall.
 
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Years ago I stayed in Scranton at this old train station which had been turned into a hotel. It was very cool, but I remember the snow being a bit coal colored as it was late in the winter. Cool old town as I recall.
Haha, the good ol' Scranton Radisson!

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We stayed there when we went back to visit the area during a friend's wedding - it's quite historic and iconic in the area :) Considering when it was built (1908), and the fact that it was one of the first train stations to use wireless communications, it has stood up quite well.
 
Been doing some thinking about what to do with my rigs, what to take, what to sell, etc. I put my RamCharger up on marketplace and have a lot of interest, one guy even wants to trade me his low-mile 2003 Rubicon TJ for it...

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It's got some parts I could do without (front LED lights in grille, cheap tube fenders, rear circle LED tail lights) and some stuff I'd need to swap (somewhat quickly!) to get it to PA legal status quickly (either before or after moving).

The worst part - it has a Rough Country long-arm kit :( Don't get me wrong, it would be the perfect excuse to get a Savvy Mid-Arm setup up under there. Part of me would want to take this to PA and build it on 33"x10.5"s and use that for a winter and hunting/fishing rig, which would then be something my daughter/son could drive - AND - also finish Ophelia for bigger/tougher trail rides only.

Choices, choices...

Speaking of Ophelia, since the deal isn't set in stone, I ended up buying a new tub:

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It was way cheap, came with a new cowl panel and spare steering column. It also is razor straight and taken off a rig that was parted out. In case the deal doesn't pan out, I'm contemplating taking the 5" stretch out of Ophelia, replacing with a 4" stretch. This would allow me to run either the GenRight "stretch" corner armor which takes the factory TJ flare - or - run the MetalCloak stretch armor, which basically does the same thing but allows use of the MetalCloak flare (I would match the MC rear stuff with matching front fenders and flares). This would allow me to run 6" wide flares (even though I'm not a fan of the look) and would cover 35x12.5"s easily, keeping me off the radar of the local cops and inspection stations.

Having the spare tub does a few things. First, I can prep it in the side yard and get it ready for paint while my current tub is on the frame as I finish up the re-stretch. Second, my tub currently is drilled and nutsert'ed for the Savvy armor and I don't know how much that will translate to the GenRight or MetalCloak stretch armor. Third, my body is way tweaked and I've dealt with it in the context of making a rig that was going to be beat up anyway on the AZ rocks. With this, I wouldn't mind a straight tub, tightly closing doors, and a top that fits perfectly...

It's going to be a busy next 3-4 months...
 
Have you thought about running something like Genright’s blank corners, cutting the wheel opening where you need it, and not have to modify your stretch?
 
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Have you thought about running something like Genright’s blank corners, cutting the wheel opening where you need it, and not have to modify your stretch?
It's not so much the issue with the corners (I was about ready to order the Savvy blanks) but rather the stretch length taking the edge of the wheel opening partially around the radius at the back of the tub. At 4", the back edge of the tire meets clears the tub radius. The GenRights have the advantage of already being cut and trimmed for a TJ shaped flare (factory flares can be run even). The MetalCloaks obviously take the MC flare but still retains the coverage I would need. IIRC, this is why @Wildman only went with a 4" stretch on his setup.

My issue with the Savvy setup is that I am not sure how to address the to-be-empty space between the new wheel opening and the edge of the Savvy slider backing plate. I supposed I could order some LJ backing plates and trim as needed, but with the current backorder log plus delays in shipping, I don't have 6-8 weeks to wait for them to make it all fitted and installed.
 
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When I stretched my rig, I cut the sliders down the middle and added tube and plate to extend them. Is something like that possible with the savvy sliders?

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When I stretched my rig, I cut the sliders down the middle and added tube and plate to extend them. Is something like that possible with the savvy sliders?

Possible, but I don't have a good way to weld aluminum and really at the end of the day, it's a lot of work for little gain (when both GR and MC have options that bolt in place designed for used with their stretch corner armor). I prefer the Savvy way of mounting, but the GR one doesn't seem bad either and I don't expect much rock bashing in PA.
 
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Well, I did a thing again... specifically, an LJ thing 🤷‍♂️

After I began outlining my list of stuff to do to get Ophelia back on her feet and ready to make the 2600 mile ride across the country, it all became a bit daunting to do it properly in such a short time frame (we are trying to make it to our new house by July). I probably had 150 hours of work ahead and there was almost no room for error or a missed weekend.

I had been toying with the idea of an LJ since we made the decision to move but didn't have any luck. I was looking at 3 of them last weekend - a 2006 with 151k miles that ended up having engine damage, a 2005 with 130k miles all the way down in Tucson that sold 20 minutes into my drive down, and a 2005 with 103k miles that the guy wanted $20,500 for despite it needing some minor stuff (and after thinking about it, would "settle for $19,500" lol)

This one popped up on Craigslist and I made the trip down after texting the guy a few times. It's clean, spent most of its life in Hawaii, and other than some very wide flares (Hawaii is strict about fender laws too) and a generic 4" lift, is basically bone stock.

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It needs some work, but almost all cosmetic. I had to transfer cash from our online-savings to our checking account, so I won't be picking it up until Thursday, but I imagine my weekend will mostly be filled with removing that awful angry grille and silly stickers from the hood, windshield and back glass. A very thorough washing and likely some cutting/polishing compound will make it shine like new, then I can begin the other stuff...

Plans in the short term are simple - move over all the stuff that I want to keep from the TJ (i.e. axles, 35"s, radio, lights, and some small stuff) and then part out what is left of Ophelia and what I don't need of the LJ (factory Dana 30/44, Smittybilt winch, pole vault style stinger bar, etc). I also need to figure out what I need to do with the flares; these have seen better days and they look massive (I'm guessing they're 7" wide??) but would definitely keep me out of trouble in PA fender laws.

Oh and don't worry, I'm pulling the Hemi from the TJ and will be building a crate for it :)
 
Well, I did a thing again... specifically, an LJ thing 🤷‍♂️

After I began outlining my list of stuff to do to get Ophelia back on her feet and ready to make the 2600 mile ride across the country, it all became a bit daunting to do it properly in such a short time frame (we are trying to make it to our new house by July). I probably had 150 hours of work ahead and there was almost no room for error or a missed weekend.

I had been toying with the idea of an LJ since we made the decision to move but didn't have any luck. I was looking at 3 of them last weekend - a 2006 with 151k miles that ended up having engine damage, a 2005 with 130k miles all the way down in Tucson that sold 20 minutes into my drive down, and a 2005 with 103k miles that the guy wanted $20,500 for despite it needing some minor stuff (and after thinking about it, would "settle for $19,500" lol)

This one popped up on Craigslist and I made the trip down after texting the guy a few times. It's clean, spent most of its life in Hawaii, and other than some very wide flares (Hawaii is strict about fender laws too) and a generic 4" lift, is basically bone stock.

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It needs some work, but almost all cosmetic. I had to transfer cash from our online-savings to our checking account, so I won't be picking it up until Thursday, but I imagine my weekend will mostly be filled with removing that awful angry grille and silly stickers from the hood, windshield and back glass. A very thorough washing and likely some cutting/polishing compound will make it shine like new, then I can begin the other stuff...

Plans in the short term are simple - move over all the stuff that I want to keep from the TJ (i.e. axles, 35"s, radio, lights, and some small stuff) and then part out what is left of Ophelia and what I don't need of the LJ (factory Dana 30/44, Smittybilt winch, pole vault style stinger bar, etc). I also need to figure out what I need to do with the flares; these have seen better days and they look massive (I'm guessing they're 7" wide??) but would definitely keep me out of trouble in PA fender laws.

Oh and don't worry, I'm pulling the Hemi from the TJ and will be building a crate for it :)
Squirrel!

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just kidding PC. But that did come out of left field. Nice score on the LJ. Crazy the one guy wanted $19,500. I bought my ‘04 LJ new off the dealer lot for $20,700 - tax & title included! Can’t say they haven’t held their value, I guess.