How do you know when something is made in China?

Dr. Internet said:
8. USA equivalent costs 5 times Chinese version, with 2 times performance improvement.
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I'm sort of the oddball but I've been playing with some stuff after getting screwed on labor costs here for machine work. I'm getting the exact same part in the same material, with higher machine quality for 1/10th the cost.

Actually I'm getting the part for 1/10 of machine labor not including material. It is fully disgusting what our labor costs every single step of the way adding to the final price.
 
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mrblaine said:
I'm sort of the oddball but I've been playing with some stuff after getting screwed on labor costs here for machine work. I'm getting the exact same part in the same material, with higher machine quality for 1/10th the cost.

Actually I'm getting the part for 1/10 of machine labor not including material. It is fully disgusting what our labor costs every single step of the way adding to the final price.
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American free market labor can not compete with Communist Chinese labor.

We have all benefited from it, but sadly longterm it's crippling our economic future outlook
and now Potato in Charge is bussing in illegals to help bring Socialized cheap labor here stateside.

They have "knock off" stolen so much of our technology and patents because companies
have offshored production in search of higher profit margins.

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CreepinDeth said:
American free market labor can not compete with Communist Chinese labor.

We have all benefited from it, but sadly longterm it's crippling our economic future outlook
and now Potato in Charge is bussing in illegals to help bring Socialized cheap labor here stateside.

They have "knock off" stolen so much of our technology and patents because companies
have offshored production in search of higher profit margins.

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I don't expect us to compete. I do expect us to tighten up our efficiency with the same high levels of quality we used to be known for. We aren't even trying.

The current potato has exactly zero to do with this. It started decades ago when the big manufacturers went to global production and sourcing.

There is some confusion about higher profit margins. What started this crap is folks like Walmart demanding name brands like Snapper etc. to land a product that they can sell in their stores at economy pricing. When that started, it wasn't about a profit margin, it was just even being able to make something that they could put their name on, much less make some sort of profit on it. The only way to produce it was to go overseas or not do it.
 
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We have all benefited from it, but sadly longterm it's crippling our economic future outlook
and now Potato in Charge is bussing in illegals to help bring Socialized cheap labor here stateside.
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He is responsible.
No, he didn't create the NAFTA global outsourcing agenda, unfortunately that's BOTH parties
Reagan campaigned on it in 1979

Drive any company to a higher output level for profits, and then change gears and request lower prices
When said prices couldn't be met, the company would end up folding in many cases (Rubbermaid) Walmart
then bought them out, and offshored production. This has happened to numerous companies over the years
esp when dealing with Govt contracts, and then losing them.....(i,e. Colt)
 
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CreepinDeth said:
Well that's an opinion, but not a fact.
He is the current POTUS, and in charge of the Border Security and it's lax.
No one is saying he's the first to allow illegals in, but we're currently under a heavy invasion, and yes, he is responsible.
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Again, that has zero to do with the systemic offshoring of production that put us in the current mess that started decades ago. He is beyond a fuckwit for certain and his 7 million new buddies that snuck across aren't doing anyone any favors but this mess isn't on them or him.
 
No, he isn't responsible for the decades of bad decisions.
He is just responsible for what he is allowing that I stipulated.......the accelerating Socialist invasion for cheap labor

As for NAFTA, I blame both parties, and moreso Reagan as he campaigned on it in 1979
He also got Canada signed on in 1988, and Bush Sr got Mexico signed on Dec 1992
Bill Clinton was just the final stroke, but took the primary limelight for it all.
They've all sold us out.

 
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CreepinDeth said:
No, he isn't responsible for the decades of bad decisions.
He is just responsible for what he is allowing that I stipulated.......the accelerating Socialist invasion for cheap labor

As for NAFTA, I blame both parties, and moreso Reagan as he campaigned on it in 1979
He also got Canada signed on in 1988, and Bush Sr got Mexico signed on Dec 1992
Bill Clinton was just the final stroke, but took the primary limelight for it all.
They've all sold us out.

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But, if there is so much cheap labor flooding over the border, why aren't prices going down?
 
mrblaine said:
But, if there is so much cheap labor flooding over the border, why aren't prices going down?
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Cheap labor died when burger flippers started getting $20/hr. Illegals have no reason to work for under the table wages either.
 
Apparition said:
Cheap labor died when burger flippers started getting $20/hr. Illegals have no reason to work for under the table wages either.
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They aren't getting that yet, but they will soon. And yes, that effectively raises the minimum wage for all menial labor jobs to be that much.
 
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mrblaine said:
But, if there is so much cheap labor flooding over the border, why aren't prices going down?
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It's all about MARGIN , If I can cut product cost by going with CHICOM labor / products , and charge just under domestic prices I will realize much higher profit.
Good for your business short term , and plays well into the Communist methodology of waiting for us to fuck ourselves all in the name of profit.
 
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mrblaine said:
They aren't getting that yet, but they will soon. And yes, that effectively raises the minimum wage for all menial labor jobs to be that much.
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You’re correct McDonald’s here starts at $18/hr. I was thinking of the under armour outlet which starts at $20.
 
mrblaine said:
But, if there is so much cheap labor flooding over the border, why aren't prices going down?
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Same reasons people here exporting production overseas arent charging that much less. Profit margins are higher for the owners hiring them

Some areas are cheaper here that utilize all illegal labor. Illegals do alot of landscaping, driveway, construction work cheaper then anyone.
 
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CreepinDeth said:
Same reasons people here exporting production overseas arent charging that much less. Profit margins are higher for the owners hiring them

Some areas are cheaper here that utilize all illegal labor. Illegals do alot of landscaping, driveway, construction work cheaper then anyone.
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I'm confused. We started the thread talking about how Chinese products are so much cheaper than the domestic versions and now we're saying they're not?

Afaik, trucklite ripoffs are still 1/5th the price of the real thing, a Harbor Freight welder is still 1/5th the price of an equivalent Lincoln.

The reason prices aren't dropping here is because even "undocumented workers" here make 100x the average sweat shop 9 year old in the People's Republic.

I think it would surprise most people how little (as a percentage) most large companies actually have in operating margin and cash reserves. The big company I worked for at one point had America's highest paid CEO and still liked to play games with stuff like cash flow to make the numbers look better. Like issuing POs with 90 day payment terms but only accepting POs on net 30. It evens out over time but at some point when they instituted the policy it gave them a boost of 60 days of income. There's certainly an argument surrounding executive pay but even cutting those by 90% you're talking a few tens of millions against billions of annual revenue...it's a drop in the bucket, not that its justified by any stretch.

That's why even though I think the car makers were stupid for getting us into this mess of bloated, overdesigned and overpriced offerings, I also believe them when they say they can't be competitive while meeting the UAWs demands.
 
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freedom_in_4low said:
I'm confused. We started the thread talking about how Chinese products are so much cheaper than the domestic versions and now we're saying they're not?
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First post shown a product with shoddy QC from China, (bad Engrish) I didnt see a cost there

As for Lincoln Vs Harbor Freight
There is a reputable company with high standards of quality control Vs a Chinese product company without the same standards and internals….unless someone thinks HF welders are “on par” with Lincoln??

I know I work in the trades and NEVER seen a HF welder on a jobsote by a tradesman, but I have seen Miller and Lincoln always. Apples n Oranges in other words
 
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