Savvy off-road sold? (the unofficial Savvy customer support and Savvy rant thread)

Longwhitejeep said:
This is a really shitty thing to do.

Someone commenting, saying these expensive parts are worth the wait. You took time out of your day to read it, download the picture, draw your crayon arrow, look at their pick and then attack their jeep.

Do Better.
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Chill out, it was sarcasm, hence the /s.

If anything, I’ve been running the stocker while waiting for Savvy myself. 👍
 
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sab said:
Are yours also steel? The old ones were aluminum. I weighed mine (aluminum) before putting them on. With the hardware, they were 2.4 lb. The new steel ones on the web site state 4 lb, and that makes sense to me. Aluminum is about a third the density of steel, but it looks like the steel ones are thinner, so if they are 2/3 as thick, the volume of the steel ones is 2/3 of the aluminum ones. Since weight is volume times density, 3 x 2/3 is 2, so the steel ones should be about twice the weight of the aluminum ones. I'm not a fan of the change to steel. It's unnecessary weight.

The pictures on the web site don't show countersunk holes (and countersinking steel is more time-consuming), so you'll probably have to do that yourself. However, if they decided to stop including hardware, that's a shitty deal. I'd contact them. I'm guessing they forgot to send them - I've had missing parts or mis-made parts on two or three of my Savvy orders.




No, powder coating doesn't affect the heat treatment - the temp in the curing oven is well below the solution heat treatment temperature that is used in the heat treatment process for aluminum. I've seen a lot of negativity regarding powder coating components, but I like it and have used it on cars, trucks, motorcycles, and snowmobiles for years. My Savvy bumper is powder coated, and I have matching rattle can paint to spray boo-boos.

Whether you paint or powder-coat, prep is crucial. The oxide layer that forms on aluminum is hard to bond to. The bumper needs to be vigorously scuffed, then cleaned and degreased immediately before paint or powder is applied. Due diligence is required when vetting a powder coater...
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Yes, mine are made of steel. I don't have a way to measure them, but they do feel relatively heavy. Them not countersunking the holes is very odd and honestly makes very little sense as that would cause there to be bolts sticking out of the front of the bumper making it a non slip surface. I'll have too look into my options for countersinking them.

Thanks for the input on the powder coating, that is likely the route I will go.
 
Nick21 said:
Yes, mine are made of steel. I don't have a way to measure them, but they do feel relatively heavy. Them not countersunking the holes is very odd and honestly makes very little sense as that would cause there to be bolts sticking out of the front of the bumper making it a non slip surface. I'll have too look into my options for countersinking them.

Thanks for the input on the powder coating, that is likely the route I will go.
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I should have asked, what size are the holes? Are they the holes that attach to the frame? before posting sizes and so forth. Did the Aluminum Savvy have countersunk holes? I don't have them on my Warn.
 
Nick21 said:
Reached to savvy asking about when they would have bumpers available again. Gerald replied that the should have more this month but said they had 1 available if I wanted it. Needless to say I am now the owner of a front bumper.

Questions: I also ordered the "new" hard core upgrade, however it appears they are no longer counter sunk and does not include hardware. Is the best option to counter sink them myself and get correct hardware, or is this a mistake on there end?

What is the preferred method of painting the bumper, does powder coating it wreck the heat treatment?

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Wtf wow. I wonder when did he get it because I messaged him months ago.
 
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Nick21 said:
Reached to savvy asking about when they would have bumpers available again. Gerald replied that the should have more this month but said they had 1 available if I wanted it. Needless to say I am now the owner of a front bumper.

Questions: I also ordered the "new" hard core upgrade, however it appears they are no longer counter sunk and does not include hardware. Is the best option to counter sink them myself and get correct hardware, or is this a mistake on there end?

What is the preferred method of painting the bumper, does powder coating it wreck the heat treatment?

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I've painted a couple with these. The general process I use is de-burr them with a hand file, smooth everything out with 600 grit, clean with denatured alcohol, apply self etching primer, then paint. I've never had a problem with flaking or peeling paint.

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JMT said:
I should have asked, what size are the holes? Are they the holes that attach to the frame? before posting sizes and so forth. Did the Aluminum Savvy have countersunk holes? I don't have them on my Warn.
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I'm taking about the hardcore upgrade which are steel bumpers for the corners, the old style which was made of aluminum had countersunk holes which allowed a flush bolt. The steel ones are also thinner than the aluminum ones.

What I received was 2 steel corner guards with straight holes and no hardware.

I'm looking to modify these steel corner guards to be like they were with the aluminum hard core upgrade, which is countersunk holes and bolts to allow flush bolts to the face of the bumper
 
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Nick21 said:
I'm taking about the hardcore upgrade which are steel bumpers for the corners, the old style which was made of aluminum had countersunk holes which allowed a flush bolt. The steel ones are also thinner than the aluminum ones.

What I received was 2 steel corner guards with straight holes and no hardware.

I'm looking to modify these steel corner guards to be like they were with the aluminum hard core upgrade, which is countersunk holes and bolts to allow flush bolts to the face of the bumper
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I figured I’d use the steel ones as patterns to make aluminum ones.
 
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Nick21 said:
I'm taking about the hardcore upgrade which are steel bumpers for the corners, the old style which was made of aluminum had countersunk holes which allowed a flush bolt. The steel ones are also thinner than the aluminum ones.

What I received was 2 steel corner guards with straight holes and no hardware.

I'm looking to modify these steel corner guards to be like they were with the aluminum hard core upgrade, which is countersunk holes and bolts to allow flush bolts to the face of the bumper
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The aluminum corners had 5/16" holes since any slop allows the corner to move around when you are trying to line them up for installation. The countersink angle is or should be 82 degrees which matches the hardware used on the sliders, corner armor, and Under Armor. YMMV if something is different about the steel versions since I've never seen a set.
 
Picture of the steel corners for reference.

Aluminum corners are from jerrys install guide, as can be seen they are noticeable thicker and have the countersunk holes

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Nick21 said:
Yes, mine are made of steel. I don't have a way to measure them, but they do feel relatively heavy. Them not countersunking the holes is very odd and honestly makes very little sense as that would cause there to be bolts sticking out of the front of the bumper making it a non slip surface. I'll have too look into my options for countersinking them.

Thanks for the input on the powder coating, that is likely the route I will go.
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Get’s the last Savvy bumper ever, complains about it.






Just kidding 🤣
 
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Nick21 said:
I'm taking about the hardcore upgrade which are steel bumpers for the corners, the old style which was made of aluminum had countersunk holes which allowed a flush bolt. The steel ones are also thinner than the aluminum ones.

What I received was 2 steel corner guards with straight holes and no hardware.

I'm looking to modify these steel corner guards to be like they were with the aluminum hard core upgrade, which is countersunk holes and bolts to allow flush bolts to the face of the bumper
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Then yeah, I’d use an 82* countersink bit. I like the 6-flute for steel and 0-flute for aluminum. 5/16-18 no. 4 Phillips bolts in 316 stainless with 82* conical from McMaster. They match the other Savvy hardware like the MUA and corner armor.
 
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