Metalcloak or Savvy in salt environment?

jetties2003 said:
Thanks everyone for the input. One quick question. I put a Rubicon Express lift on my last LJ. The control arms, from what i can recall, were just standard rubber busing ends. It rode like a dream. Will the JJ ends ride stiffer / transfer bumps up into the jeep?
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No, that thinking about good flex joints like the Johnny Joint riding stiffer/transfering bumps comes from the Metalcloak ad readers/believers who believe MC's hype about their rubber ("Duraflex" bushings being the only way to get a good ride without vibration and bumps. It's pure bullcrap based on unquestioningly believing MC's hype.

I came from RE's long-arm suspension I installed into my previous TJ which was stolen. It's ride was ok though I wasn't happy with its offroad traits. To replace it I bought a used TJ with a new Currie (now Rockjock4x4) short arm 4" suspension with all Johnny Joints and it has a superb ride. Even my Lexus-driving/non-Jeep loving wife has commented a couple times on long drives in my TJ how good it rides. If you want the 'best' control arms go with something with Johnny Joint flex joints like from www.rockjock4x4.com
 
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Jerry Bransford said:
Go with Savvy which uses the very best flex joint, the Johnny Joint from Currie. MC's is nothing but a rubber bushing inside its housing. Metalcloak calls their bushing Duraflex but that's just their name for rubber. They certainly don't hold up like the Johnny Joint does. My Currie Johnny Joints have barely been touched maintenance-wise in the 15 years I've owned them.
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We can keep doing this for as long as it takes. Currie Enterprises does not make, sell, distribute, handle, touch, design, or in any way have anything to do with the Johnny Joints. They are all done by John Currie at Rock Jock 4x4 and have been for several years now.
 
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Jerry Bransford said:
No, that thinking about good flex joints like the Johnny Joint riding stiffer/transfering bumps comes from the Metalcloak ad readers/believers who believe MC's hype about their rubber ("Duraflex" bushings being the only way to get a good ride without vibration and bumps. It's pure bullcrap based on unquestioningly believing MC's hype.

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The biggest indictment of Metalcloak's lies about NVH is that they put rod ends on their track bars. You should bring up that bit of tech sometime.
 
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Welcome to the forum... I'm in CT on the shorleine. We have Mabel which is in Mass, north of springfield, a nice little half day. I've alao had great luck meeting guys here whenever I decide to head out to Rausch or AOAA.
 
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jetties2003 said:
Thanks everyone for the input. One quick question. I put a Rubicon Express lift on my last LJ. The control arms, from what i can recall, were just standard rubber busing ends. It rode like a dream. Will the JJ ends ride stiffer / transfer bumps up into the jeep? Thanks again, just trying to make the right decision. I know this all depends on how much wheeling I will do, in CC Texas we wheeled every day. Ive been in CT now for about 8 years, wheeling seems limited. Im hoping if i build it they will come, meaning if i build a jeep somehow ill hook up with some folks that know where to wheel. So the jeep may end up not wheeling much, so cheaper arms may be the way to go, and if the JJs cause the bumps to jump into my seat it may make sense to stay away considering the salt. Maybe someone can tell me if JJ amplify the bumps, hopefully they dont and i can just grease them every 6 months and at least right before winters. Thanks again.
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If your RE lower arms used Clevite bushings then you can just replace them with Synergy DDB bushings and get an improvement in performance without the expense of replacing the whole arm.
 
jjvw said:
The biggest indictment of Metalcloak's lies about NVH is that they put rod ends on their track bars. You should bring up that bit of tech sometime.
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But it has a Durotrak bushing at the axle so it is NVH isolated. Just ask them.
 
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Blackjack said:
But it has a Durotrak bushing at the axle so it is NVH isolated. Just ask them.
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The claim then evolves into their single little Durotrak bushing (without Kevlar) having NVH isolation comparable to two of their larger Duroflex bushings.
 
mrblaine said:
We can keep doing this for as long as it takes. Currie Enterprises does not make, sell, distribute, handle, touch, design, or in any way have anything to do with the Johnny Joints. They are all done by John Currie at Rock Jock 4x4 and have been for several years now.
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Been like four years now I think.
 
Jerry Bransford said:
I still call it a Currie Johnny Joint because it was developed by John Currie who it was named after. It's now sold by Rockjock4x4, of course, but to me it'll always be a Currie Johnny Joint... sold by Rockjock4x4.
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At the expense of newbies that don’t know. You are the man that is everywhere to help. Whatever, they’ll figure it out but for the sake of John Currie who has separated from Currie you should try to update your terminology.
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Jerry Bransford said:
I still call it a Currie Johnny Joint because it was developed by John Currie who it was named after. It's now sold by Rockjock4x4, of course, but to me it'll always be a Currie Johnny Joint... sold by Rockjock4x4.
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You are recommending something, rightly so, but it really helps the person reading your recommendation if they know where to buy the stuff you are recommending. No one is telling you what to call it, we are just trying to get you tell the folks where to get the fucking things and sending them to Currie won't get that done.
 
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Jerry Bransford said:
Go with Savvy which uses the very best flex joint, the Johnny Joint from Currie. MC's is nothing but a rubber bushing inside its housing. Metalcloak calls their bushing Duraflex but that's just their name for rubber. They certainly don't hold up like the Johnny Joint does. My Currie Johnny Joints have barely been touched maintenance-wise in the 15 years I've owned them.
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Jerry Bransford said:
I still call it a Currie Johnny Joint because it was developed by John Currie who it was named after. It's now sold by Rockjock4x4, of course, but to me it'll always be a Currie Johnny Joint... sold by Rockjock4x4.
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If you respect John Currie, then you you can change how you refer to them. The company split happened for specific reasons and the least you can do is to acknowledge it. Just call them as RockJock Johnny Joint going forward and you can always say it was developed by John Currie.

 
psrivats said:
If you respect John Currie, then you you can change how you refer to them. The company split happened for specific reasons and the least you can do is to acknowledge it. Just call them as RockJock Johnny Joint going forward and you can always say it was developed by John Currie.

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Great Video thanks for the link.
Hopefully no bad blood between John and his brother
 
Weasellee said:
Great Video thanks for the link.
Hopefully no bad blood between John and his brother
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There are actually 4 brothers. One has not been involved in any of the business stuff that we know, Currie and Rockjock, the other 2 are Ray and Charlie. I would say there isn't any bad blood, just a difference in how to serve their customer base. If you know some of the products, there are some things being done that indicate John likely had some ideas that he wanted to implement that were perhaps stymied by the group. He is coming out with updates to existing products at a pretty good rate which may just be coincidence.
 
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