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It doesn't make any sense whatsoever to me - but you knew that. Little tiny screen, no keyboard = no fun. Never mind that not everyone has one. I'd much rather telnet into the thing and run a CLI program/command than anything to do with a PHOOOOOONNE. Amateur hour as far as I'm concerned.

For basic communications with the benefit of being wireless and mobile, they make some sense. But when I have nice big monitors, pointing devices and keyboards made for large human hands, as well as a hell of a lot more computing power in my PCs, I cannot fathom why I'd ever want to piss around with such a contrary device. My thumb tip covers half the damn on-screen keyboard, FFS! And forget speech to text, my diction might not be the greatest but that damn thing makes me look like a shit salesman with a mouthful of samples when it translates. No thanks, not helpful.

Aside from a GPS for whatever vehicle I'm in, the Torque app for OBDII and a construction calculator (a very well written app with excellent support, cheap fee for lifetime use and upgrades, which I happily paid after using the free version for less than 5 minutes), I actually use mine as a phone...which seems to blow many people's minds for some reason.

Seem like everything now comes with a companion app so you can "conveniently" adjust settings. Seems to me it would be more convenient if it were on the actual device, but where it really gets me is when the app is the only way to access settings and features.

The industry sells these things with everything turned on, and I suspect many users never bother to investigate and turn things off...and I also suspect the industry is banking on that fact as well. I feel like they're seriously compromised out of the box and most folks either aren't aware or don't care....either way, it just contributes to more things being done that way. There's little to no push back, people just accept whatever, and without much if any consideration.

I stopped by my local bank branch a month or so ago to deposit a check. First thing the teller says is, "You no longer need a paper deposit slip, we're doing away with them. All you need is your ATM card or our banking app." I replied that I had a big stack of paper deposit slips at home and fully intended to use them all before considering the alternative. The teller then said, "You know you can deposit this check via our app?" I replied that I no longer use their app and uninstalled it from my phone months ago. She looked at me as if I had a dick growing out of my forehead.

I figure if no one goes to the bank branch anymore to do banking , it shouldn't come as a surprised to anyone when someday bank branch offices no longer exist. I like the fact that I can go there and talk to humans face to face if I have a problem with my accounts or to do other banking business. Rue the day when I have to talk to "Connie" or "Steve" somewhere in southeast Asia to sort shit out with my account or, worse yet, do it through an Ai powered assistant app...
 
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For basic communications with the benefit of being wireless and mobile, they make some sense. But when I have nice big monitors, pointing devices and keyboards made for large human hands, as well as a hell of a lot more computing power in my PCs, I cannot fathom why I'd ever want to piss around with such a contrary device. My thumb tip covers half the damn on-screen keyboard, FFS! And forget speech to text, my diction might not be the greatest but that damn thing makes me look like a shit salesman with a mouthful of samples when it translates. No thanks, not helpful.

Aside from a GPS for whatever vehicle I'm in, the Torque app for OBDII and a construction calculator (a very well written app with excellent support, cheap fee for lifetime use and upgrades, which I happily paid after using the free version for less than 5 minutes), I actually use mine as a phone...which seems to blow many people's minds for some reason.

Seem like everything now comes with a companion app so you can "conveniently" adjust settings. Seems to me it would be more convenient if it were on the actual device, but where it really gets me is when the app is the only way to access settings and features.

The industry sells these things with everything turned on, and I suspect many users never bother to investigate and turn things off...and I also suspect the industry is banking on that fact as well. I feel like they're seriously compromised out of the box and most folks either aren't aware or don't care....either way, it just contributes to more things being done that way. There's little to no push back, people just accept whatever, and without much if any consideration.

I stopped by my local bank branch a month or so ago to deposit a check. First thing the teller says is, "You no longer need a paper deposit slip, we're doing away with them. All you need is your ATM card or our banking app." I replied that I had a big stack of paper deposit slips at home and fully intended to use them all before considering the alternative. The teller then said, "You know you can deposit this check via our app?" I replied that I no longer use their app and uninstalled it from my phone months ago. She looked at me as if I had a dick growing out of my forehead.

I figure if no one goes to the bank branch anymore to do banking , it shouldn't come as a surprised to anyone when someday bank branch offices no longer exist. I like the fact that I can go there and talk to humans face to face if I have a problem with my accounts or to do other banking business. Rue the day when I have to talk to "Connie" or "Steve" somewhere in southeast Asia to sort shit out with my account or, worse yet, do it through an Ai powered assistant app...

Yea, pretty much. I use a GPS for navigation, and have never really seen the point of Internet access "on the go" as the saying is. With that said, you are dead nuts right: Nobody cares. They've been brainwashed into believing that a smartphone is oh-so-conVEEEEEEEEENient, when it is anything but.

I belong to a very nice credit union, I'm not sure whether they even have an "App" or not. They do have a webpage that I do use from time-to-time, but I go to a branch office at least once a month to make deposits, and rotate a backup hard drive in the safe deposit box I have there. I can't see their insisting on online interaction - as is the case in the UK and much of Europe - but if they ever do, Buh-BYE! I don't even care that much about the webpage - it is occasionally conVEEEEEENient to transfer funds around, but if it went away tomorrow, I wouldn't cry.

Obviously, if a company is short sighted enough to make an "App" the ONLY way to do business with them, or the only way to use their product; I'll go elsewhere. Like I did with Home Depot when I tried to rent a truck - See Ya!
 
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I use Homeseer. It is a control server for z-wave and Zigbee devices. I have 50 +/- devices in both the house and pole barn. My wife is disabled and this allows her to manage the house or get alerts using her PHOOOOOONNE. I did this because I got tired of getting up to adjust the thermostat or turn on/off a light for her. Now it also manages the lights in the shop, garage doors, leak sensors, etc.

When I went this route, it was the only home automation system that didn't require the interweb to work. We have frequent interweb outages out here in the almost sticks of western Murrland
 
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What problems have you had with them? This is new territory for me.

So far so good, it’s really just an outlet on a relay on remote, not actually a “smart plug” but I needed to control my shop lights and didn’t feel like running a new switch

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I've been running Fortigates at home for the last 8 years or so. Before that I ran Palo Alto. Both have models that meet all your requirements. Both are easy to navigate and configure and have a very good GUI.

Personally, I am not a fan of any of Cisco or Juniper's firewall products.
 
Personally, I am not a fan of any of Cisco or Juniper's firewall products.
My last employer dumped Cisco rather abruptly. We had an entire Cisco router infrastructure, and had decided to go to a new VOIP phone system. The routers we had didn't have the POE (Power Over Ethernet) capability that the new phone system needed. Something about there was an add on that could give us that ability, but Cisco wouldn't sell it to us; it was a package deal only available at time of initial purchase, no retrofitting. Negotiations didn't get us anywhere.

So we said "Buh-BYE!" and "forked in" an entire new HP router system. Once Cisco found out about this, they changed their tune right quick. "Too late assholes, we're not playing that game." The forklift arrived, the new HP stuff went in and we moved forward. Oh, and as I recall, Cisco's VOIP phone system had been in contention, they lost THAT business as well.
 
My last employer dumped Cisco rather abruptly. We had an entire Cisco router infrastructure, and had decided to go to a new VOIP phone system. The routers we had didn't have the POE (Power Over Ethernet) capability that the new phone system needed. Something about there was an add on that could give us that ability, but Cisco wouldn't sell it to us; it was a package deal only available at time of initial purchase, no retrofitting. Negotiations didn't get us anywhere.

So we said "Buh-BYE!" and "forked in" an entire new HP router system. Once Cisco found out about this, they changed their tune right quick. "Too late assholes, we're not playing that game." The forklift arrived, the new HP stuff went in and we moved forward. Oh, and as I recall, Cisco's VOIP phone system had been in contention, they lost THAT business as well.

Yeah, Cisco is not the company they used to be. They try to milk as much money as they can out of their customers and are not at all trying to hide it.

We use Arista now for our switches and routers at work and I have been very impressed with them.
 
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Whomever you pick I suggest a through supply chain security review of the vendor. Who they do business with. How often they're hacked. How often they participate with CISA's known vulnerability list.

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Yeah, Cisco is not the company they used to be. They try to milk as much money as they can out of their customers and are not at all trying to hide it.

We use Arista now for our switches and routers at work and I have been very impressed with them.

Arista makes great stuff. I helped develop their Metamako L1 switching platform for Fintech
 
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Yeah, Cisco is not the company they used to be. They try to milk as much money as they can out of their customers and are not at all trying to hide it.

We use Arista now for our switches and routers at work and I have been very impressed with them.

Not at all familiar with Arista - but routers weren't/aren't my area of expertise.
 
With your level of experience have you not just considered buying a 1L pc plus managed switch and building your own router with PFsense or OPNsense.
 
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