Rookie Jeep dude with rookie questions

RoyHobbs#9

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I'm a rookie to Jeeps and this is my first post on any Jeep forum. I could use some good and legitimate insight to help me make the best decision possible. I would appreciate some good insight and experience from other Jeep dudes so I can make the best informed decisions as I try to personalize my own Jeep.

I just bought a 2002 TJ, manual 4 cyl., stock 4:11 gearing, with 98,000 miles. Got it mostly because I've always wanted a Jeep. I have no desire to drive something that makes me look like I'm someone that I'm not. I won't pretend that I crawl over house-sized boulders when I don't, because I have absolutely zero desire to drive up Amasa Back and other such seemingly fun ballz-of-steel desert trails. I already mountain bike that kind of desert terrain, so no need to push my luck more than I already have. Therefore, I don't really want to spend a lot of money on equipment I will never use in the way that serious Jeep owners do.

My goals are to just have fun when I drop the top, take my boys to the desert to allow my 2A tools get some exercise, enjoy being in the desert trails over average to moderate terrain, and use it as a tool to bond with my sons as fathers and sons should. But I definitely do not want a pavement princess that only sees the hardball and never gets used for its intended purpose.

Currently it's got Rough Country shocks and springs, apparently only 4.5" lift (feels like 10" lift). Just dumped the 10 year old semi dry rotting 35" tires that needed to be replaced. No spare. Just got new 33" tires and the engine seemed to be appreciative of the reduced weight from 35s. However, I don't like the high CG, so I was thinking of reducing from the 4.5" to 2.5-3.5" lift. A local Jeep shop wants to put me in 3.5", using Bilstein 5100 shocks ($492), Rock Krawler front/rear springs ($540), and Rock Krawler front track bar ($340), with total labor cost of $475 to install it. Although I don't want to pay for super expensive equipment that I'll likely never use that expensive equipment for , I do understand the value if Bilstein 5100 shocks has the best warranty and off-road ride, then that might be worth it to me. Seems like a lot of money to drop only 1". Wondering if I really need top of the line, but I also don't want junk that has a crappy warranty.

My research found others who have mixed impressions of RC shocks / springs. Some people seem to love it. Others say RC is for pavement only with a rough ride and not designed for off-road use other than maybe relatively flat trails. But Fox or Bilstein seems to be for serious dudes who look for giant boulders to drive over. Apparently KYB and BPS are apparently good mid-tier with good warranties. I guess I just don't want to buy expensive stuff merely because a Jeep specialist shop or enthusiasts are more serious about their own Jeeps than I am. So I'd appreciate thoughts on how to get the right equipment at a fair price and to have fun without looking like a poser on the trails. And I don't want to get talked into equipment merely because the shop wants to sell one brand over another. Again, genuine insight, thoughts, opinions from experienced Jeep owners in the forum would be helpful.

Cheers!

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First things first. Measure your actual spring height with the weight of the jeep on it.then compare to this.
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Keep in mind the lighter your jeep the more lift you will get from any spring.sorry,there really are no exact height kits. Just trial and error.

Secondly, you shouldn't be going larger than 31's with a 4cyl and 4.10 gears. 1-2" lift and 31's looks good and is quite functional. If you want to stay on 33s you should have 4.88s at a minimum for the 4cyl.

Shocks is a debate over personal preference and how much money you want to spend. Bilstiens are quality but aren't the most comfortable ride.
 
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I'd recommend sharing some undercairrage shots of the steering, suspension and the rear driveshaft, which will allow us to identify anything more than the lift installed. I'd assume that you have something to help with rear driveshaft angle installed.

If you've done much wrench turning, these are fairly simple and could make for a fun father sons project to save some cash on that end.

In general, the mainstream stock replacement shock brands will not carry non factory length shocks. Bilstein are what I would consider a solid performance shock in a value/mass manufactured package. The 5100s are significantly less than the entry level for the higher end stuff like Fox and King. There are a couple twin tubes that get good reviews on here that are probably a bit cheaper, particularly SJ Black Max and Rancho.
 
Just FYI, my '98 has a 2" Old man Emu lift with 32" tires and it has gone on a LOT of Arizona trails with no issues. A similar smaller lift and 30" or 31" tires would get you just about anywhere that isn't considered a "rock crawling" trail.


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Guys,
He just bought the 33" Tires, so that inve$tment is made and not changing.

RoyHobbs#9,
My LJR has a 2" spring spacer lift on what I assume is stock suspension. My 33" tires fit fine and work great.

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I'm a rookie to Jeeps and this is my first post on any Jeep forum. I could use some good and legitimate insight to help me make the best decision possible. I would appreciate some good insight and experience from other Jeep dudes so I can make the best informed decisions as I try to personalize my own Jeep.

I just bought a 2002 TJ, manual 4 cyl., stock 4:11 gearing, with 98,000 miles. Got it mostly because I've always wanted a Jeep. I have no desire to drive something that makes me look like I'm someone that I'm not. I won't pretend that I crawl over house-sized boulders when I don't, because I have absolutely zero desire to drive up Amasa Back and other such seemingly fun ballz-of-steel desert trails. I already mountain bike that kind of desert terrain, so no need to push my luck more than I already have. Therefore, I don't really want to spend a lot of money on equipment I will never use in the way that serious Jeep owners do.

My goals are to just have fun when I drop the top, take my boys to the desert to allow my 2A tools get some exercise, enjoy being in the desert trails over average to moderate terrain, and use it as a tool to bond with my sons as fathers and sons should. But I definitely do not want a pavement princess that only sees the hardball and never gets used for its intended purpose.

Currently it's got Rough Country shocks and springs, apparently only 4.5" lift (feels like 10" lift). Just dumped the 10 year old semi dry rotting 35" tires that needed to be replaced. No spare. Just got new 33" tires and the engine seemed to be appreciative of the reduced weight from 35s. However, I don't like the high CG, so I was thinking of reducing from the 4.5" to 2.5-3.5" lift. A local Jeep shop wants to put me in 3.5", using Bilstein 5100 shocks ($492), Rock Krawler front/rear springs ($540), and Rock Krawler front track bar ($340), with total labor cost of $475 to install it. Although I don't want to pay for super expensive equipment that I'll likely never use that expensive equipment for , I do understand the value if Bilstein 5100 shocks has the best warranty and off-road ride, then that might be worth it to me. Seems like a lot of money to drop only 1". Wondering if I really need top of the line, but I also don't want junk that has a crappy warranty.

My research found others who have mixed impressions of RC shocks / springs. Some people seem to love it. Others say RC is for pavement only with a rough ride and not designed for off-road use other than maybe relatively flat trails. But Fox or Bilstein seems to be for serious dudes who look for giant boulders to drive over. Apparently KYB and BPS are apparently good mid-tier with good warranties. I guess I just don't want to buy expensive stuff merely because a Jeep specialist shop or enthusiasts are more serious about their own Jeeps than I am. So I'd appreciate thoughts on how to get the right equipment at a fair price and to have fun without looking like a poser on the trails. And I don't want to get talked into equipment merely because the shop wants to sell one brand over another. Again, genuine insight, thoughts, opinions from experienced Jeep owners in the forum would be helpful.

Cheers!

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Here’s my advice: for your intended purposes you should go for no more than a 2.5” lift, which will restore mostly-stock geometry and improve stability on and off road, low and high speed.

Going from 35’s to 33’s helped boost power not because of tire weight but because of better gear ratios. That effect is amplified even more with smaller tires.

As @GATORB8 said, you may have other hardware underneath that wouldn’t work with a shorter lift; e.g. a custom driveshaft for a 4.5” lift is likely too long for a 2.5” lift. Post photos of the other steering components, control arms, rear driveshaft and TC yoke.

Ultimately I’d recommend the 2.5” lift with 30 or 31” tires. You’d love the handling and power gains. Since you already have 33’s, I’d do the 2.5” lift plus a body lift which can be removed later if you go with smaller tires.

I had a YJ with 2.5” lift and 30’s; it handled moderate rocks and obstacles just fine.

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Shocks have a huge impact on ride quality but as stated a lot of opinions on here about which are "best". Everything on that list is pretty straight forward to do. Jeeps leak, rattle, & bump parts loose. The more time you spend under the Jeep doing little stuff like that the easier it will be to identify when bigger problems happen. This group is great about walking people through repairs and upgrades. Be a good excuse for you and your kids to hang out and for them to learn how to properly swear at things
 
I'm a rookie to Jeeps and this is my first post on any Jeep forum. I could use some good and legitimate insight to help me make the best decision possible. I would appreciate some good insight and experience from other Jeep dudes so I can make the best informed decisions as I try to personalize my own Jeep.

I just bought a 2002 TJ, manual 4 cyl., stock 4:11 gearing, with 98,000 miles. Got it mostly because I've always wanted a Jeep. I have no desire to drive something that makes me look like I'm someone that I'm not. I won't pretend that I crawl over house-sized boulders when I don't, because I have absolutely zero desire to drive up Amasa Back and other such seemingly fun ballz-of-steel desert trails. I already mountain bike that kind of desert terrain, so no need to push my luck more than I already have. Therefore, I don't really want to spend a lot of money on equipment I will never use in the way that serious Jeep owners do.

My goals are to just have fun when I drop the top, take my boys to the desert to allow my 2A tools get some exercise, enjoy being in the desert trails over average to moderate terrain, and use it as a tool to bond with my sons as fathers and sons should. But I definitely do not want a pavement princess that only sees the hardball and never gets used for its intended purpose.

Currently it's got Rough Country shocks and springs, apparently only 4.5" lift (feels like 10" lift). Just dumped the 10 year old semi dry rotting 35" tires that needed to be replaced. No spare. Just got new 33" tires and the engine seemed to be appreciative of the reduced weight from 35s. However, I don't like the high CG, so I was thinking of reducing from the 4.5" to 2.5-3.5" lift. A local Jeep shop wants to put me in 3.5", using Bilstein 5100 shocks ($492), Rock Krawler front/rear springs ($540), and Rock Krawler front track bar ($340), with total labor cost of $475 to install it. Although I don't want to pay for super expensive equipment that I'll likely never use that expensive equipment for , I do understand the value if Bilstein 5100 shocks has the best warranty and off-road ride, then that might be worth it to me. Seems like a lot of money to drop only 1". Wondering if I really need top of the line, but I also don't want junk that has a crappy warranty.

My research found others who have mixed impressions of RC shocks / springs. Some people seem to love it. Others say RC is for pavement only with a rough ride and not designed for off-road use other than maybe relatively flat trails. But Fox or Bilstein seems to be for serious dudes who look for giant boulders to drive over. Apparently KYB and BPS are apparently good mid-tier with good warranties. I guess I just don't want to buy expensive stuff merely because a Jeep specialist shop or enthusiasts are more serious about their own Jeeps than I am. So I'd appreciate thoughts on how to get the right equipment at a fair price and to have fun without looking like a poser on the trails. And I don't want to get talked into equipment merely because the shop wants to sell one brand over another. Again, genuine insight, thoughts, opinions from experienced Jeep owners in the forum would be helpful.

Cheers!

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The BFH Garage on YouTube is your new best friend. Be sure to watch the ads at the beginning! His wife needs a new purse or something...

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Do your own work on your TJ, save money and get good experience.
Lots of good help here (not all), take it slow, easy to buy the wrong stuff.
Search and read, you will find out quick who has good sense and who does not.
Also if you go out at all by yourself, get a nice lightly used Warn winch for your front bumper.
(the TJ in my pic has a 1" body lift and 31's (3.73) and has been all over CO, Moab some and VA, TN)


Welcome to TJ Forum. D
 
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agreed on around 2" and 31-32" tires being the go to for that rig. This is my buddies 98 with the 4-cyl and a 2" spacer with JL wheels.
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First things first. Measure your actual spring height with the weight of the jeep on it.then compare to this.
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Keep in mind the lighter your jeep the more lift you will get from any spring.sorry,there really are no exact height kits. Just trial and error.

Secondly, you shouldn't be going larger than 31's with a 4cyl and 4.10 gears. 1-2" lift and 31's looks good and is quite functional. If you want to stay on 33s you should have 4.88s at a minimum for the 4cyl.

Shocks is a debate over personal preference and how much money you want to spend. Bilstiens are quality but aren't the most comfortable ride.

Thank you for the info, much appreciated.
 
I'd recommend sharing some undercairrage shots of the steering, suspension and the rear driveshaft, which will allow us to identify anything more than the lift installed. I'd assume that you have something to help with rear driveshaft angle installed.

If you've done much wrench turning, these are fairly simple and could make for a fun father sons project to save some cash on that end.

In general, the mainstream stock replacement shock brands will not carry non factory length shocks. Bilstein are what I would consider a solid performance shock in a value/mass manufactured package. The 5100s are significantly less than the entry level for the higher end stuff like Fox and King. There are a couple twin tubes that get good reviews on here that are probably a bit cheaper, particularly SJ Black Max and Rancho.

Good call on the extra photos. This Jeep is just how I bought it (except for the new tires I just got). I've installed nothing yet. Unknown how old these shocks and springs are, or the front track bar etc. It looks like the sway bar links were installed in haste.

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Shocks have a huge impact on ride quality but as stated a lot of opinions on here about which are "best". Everything on that list is pretty straight forward to do. Jeeps leak, rattle, & bump parts loose. The more time you spend under the Jeep doing little stuff like that the easier it will be to identify when bigger problems happen. This group is great about walking people through repairs and upgrades. Be a good excuse for you and your kids to hang out and for them to learn how to properly swear at things

Good points, thanks. Yeah, I'd love to do the job of replacing the shocks and springs myself. In fact, I used to turn wrenches on Black Hawks in the Army a long time ago, so I'm not shy about trying to tackle the job myself. However, the nice weather in Arizona is approaching fast and my lack of knowledge might get me stuck with the Jeep remaining in the garage in a perpetual state of disrepair because I was too eager. I'd hate to screw it up and end up costing more to get it fixed than just paying the Jeep specialty place to do it for me. If I decided to do that, any recommendations on "how to" videos that you or anyone else would recommend?
 
Do your own work on your TJ, save money and get good experience.
Lots of good help here (not all), take it slow, easy to buy the wrong stuff.
Search and read, you will find out quick who has good sense and who does not.
Also if you go out at all by yourself, get a nice lightly used Warn winch for your front bumper.
(the TJ in my pic has a 1" body lift and 31's (3.73) and has been all over CO, Moab some and VA, TN)


Welcome to TJ Forum. D

Definitely would love to do the work myself. I actually prefer it, but I also know the value of getting someone else with more experience who can do the job better than I can. My understanding is that if I lower it from the 4.5 lift to a 2.5 or maybe a 3.0 lift then that might require a change to other parts for proper adjustments such as the track bar. Maybe I'm wrong about that, but the Jeep specialist shop near me said all they would recommend is the springs, shocks, and front track bar, so that's all I'm basing my research and expectations on.