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Does that make diesel at $7.39 a gallon a bargain, because you always get, well, just plain ol' diesel every time? BTW, that's a price I saw just south of town, and not what I paid. Paying $6.89 a gallon, which is bad enough. :mad:

OUCH!!!
I was disgusted seeing the price in town go from $5.69 yesterday to $5.79 today for diesel...
Regular is $4.69, up 5 cents from yesterday at that same gast station.
 
OUCH!!!
I was disgusted seeing the price in town go from $5.69 yesterday to $5.79 today for diesel...
Regular is $4.69, up 5 cents from yesterday at that same gast station.

I haven't seen below $6.39 a gallon in about eight months. I was pissed about paying $6.39 back then. Imagine how much I'm enjoying paying $6.89 a gallon now...:rolleyes:
 
In my neck of the woods in Illannoy, diesel can range between $5.49 to $5.89. Except in my town with only two gas stations. One station is $5.95 and the other is $6.51. So I don't get gas or diesel in town. I usually only fill up once a month now that the grandsons are back in school., so that helps. My preferred mode of transportation right now for errands is the sidecar rig, but that takes 91, and that's higher than diesel around here.
 
I haven't seen below $6.39 a gallon in about eight months. I was pissed about paying $6.39 back then. Imagine how much I'm enjoying paying $6.89 a gallon now...:rolleyes:

I've been putting off filling the truck but at $5.48 I guess I can feel better I'm not paying your prices. I think I can make it until next week.
 
I haven't seen below $6.39 a gallon in about eight months. I was pissed about paying $6.39 back then. Imagine how much I'm enjoying paying $6.89 a gallon now...:rolleyes:

I've been putting off filling the truck but at $5.48 I guess I can feel better I'm not paying your prices. I think I can make it until next week.

And here, I thought $3.69 was bad for gas......... :cry: ......

Lord help y'all and the little pigmys that don't use gas or diesel.......
 
I have no diesel vehicles, other than my tractor, and I only buy fuel for it about once a year. I had no idea that diesel prices have gotten to be almost $2/gallon more than gas prices. Crazy! Really makes diesel vehicles hard to justify financially currently - significantly higher initial cost and now much higher operating costs. That's so sad. Back before the turn of the millennium, the lower operating costs due to the fuel being lower than gas made it an easy choice...
 
I have no diesel vehicles, other than my tractor, and I only buy fuel for it about once a year. I had no idea that diesel prices have gotten to be almost $2/gallon more than gas prices. Crazy! Really makes diesel vehicles hard to justify financially currently - significantly higher initial cost and now much higher operating costs. That's so sad. Back before the turn of the millennium, the lower operating costs due to the fuel being lower than gas made it an easy choice...

When I bought my '90 Dodge Cummins back in '98, diesel was $1.16 a gallon (can't remember what gas was). While I agree with you to some degree on it being hard to justify purchasing a diesel, I would have to argue that the longevity of the engines might balance it all out. I paid $6,000 for my '90 with 70K on the odometer, and it's now around 430K. In 28 years, I don't believe I've got $12,000 in that truck, and that includes the purchase price. I've replaced a lift pump, radiator, and injectors. I had the injection pump rebuilt at 240K miles. Everything else has been consumables (tires, brakes, shocks, etc.). Not too bad, in my book.
 
When I bought my '90 Dodge Cummins back in '98, diesel was $1.16 a gallon (can't remember what gas was). While I agree with you to some degree on it being hard to justify purchasing a diesel, I would have to argue that the longevity of the engines might balance it all out. I paid $6,000 for my '90 with 70K on the odometer, and it's now around 430K. In 28 years, I don't believe I've got $12,000 in that truck, and that includes the purchase price. I've replaced a lift pump, radiator, and injectors. I had the injection pump rebuilt at 240K miles. Everything else has been consumables (tires, brakes, shocks, etc.). Not too bad, in my book.
I was talking about modern diesels. They DEFinitely (see what I did there? :ROFLMAO:) don't have the longevity of your 5.9L 12-valve, at least from the anecdotal tales I've heard. However, they do seem to get better MPG, which factors in.
 
When I bought my '90 Dodge Cummins back in '98, diesel was $1.16 a gallon (can't remember what gas was). While I agree with you to some degree on it being hard to justify purchasing a diesel, I would have to argue that the longevity of the engines might balance it all out. I paid $6,000 for my '90 with 70K on the odometer, and it's now around 430K. In 28 years, I don't believe I've got $12,000 in that truck, and that includes the purchase price. I've replaced a lift pump, radiator, and injectors. I had the injection pump rebuilt at 240K miles. Everything else has been consumables (tires, brakes, shocks, etc.). Not too bad, in my book.

That's a pretty good argument, and for the older pre-DEF diesels I'd agree.
For the poor bastards that insist on getting the latest and greatest (or at least anything new enough to require DEF), that argument goes out the window.
I would not consider a newer diesel unless I had a farm/ranch or other business that requires a lot of pulling/hauling. Even then, I'd look real hard at the bigger gas engines before pulling the trigger on a DEF diesel.
 
When I bought my '90 Dodge Cummins back in '98, diesel was $1.16 a gallon (can't remember what gas was). While I agree with you to some degree on it being hard to justify purchasing a diesel, I would have to argue that the longevity of the engines might balance it all out. I paid $6,000 for my '90 with 70K on the odometer, and it's now around 430K. In 28 years, I don't believe I've got $12,000 in that truck, and that includes the purchase price. I've replaced a lift pump, radiator, and injectors. I had the injection pump rebuilt at 240K miles. Everything else has been consumables (tires, brakes, shocks, etc.). Not too bad, in my book.

I've got about 18k into my truck, it's an 04 6 speed/5.9. it has 357k on it, I got it at 336k. I paid 6k for it and have had to do a bunch of updates since it was neglected. However, it's still cheaper then a new truck, plus I can work on it all by myself lol. Basic math says it is costing me 900 a month, but that doesn't go up every month. In 4 months it will be down to 750, in 2 years it will be probably 450 a month, etc.
 
It's brutal. Up here in Canada, I can fly round trip to LA from Toronto for less than it costs to fill my pickup with diesel. COSTS OVER $380 TO FILL UP. And I'm in one of the cheaper areas for fuel

it's now at $10.22 per gallon here. No reason on earth for it to be this pricey, especially with the resource we have. I hate our government with a passion. It disgusts me.

Houses cost over 1 mil up here, groceries are ridiculous, I pay 48% income tax, sales tax is at 13%. Hell, they're trying to raise this BS carbon tax again, they're even trying to tax us on the rain that falls on our property.

Time to start running my trucks on black diesel and vegetable oil lol
 
It's brutal. Up here in Canada, I can fly round trip to LA from Toronto for less than it costs to fill my pickup with diesel. COSTS OVER $380 TO FILL UP. And I'm in one of the cheaper areas for fuel

it's now at $10.22 per gallon here. No reason on earth for it to be this pricey, especially with the resource we have. I hate our government with a passion. It disgusts me.

Houses cost over 1 mil up here, groceries are ridiculous, I pay 48% income tax, sales tax is at 13%. Hell, they're trying to raise this BS carbon tax again, they're even trying to tax us on the rain that falls on our property.

Time to start running my trucks on black diesel and vegetable oil lol

But y'all get free health care......

Sorry it was always a sore topic with a buddy of mine year's ago, he would come south for surgery and such because he didn't like the long wait times in Canada.
 
But y'all get free health care......

Sorry it was always a sore topic with a buddy of mine year's ago, he would come south for surgery and such because he didn't like the long wait times in Canada.

This is a piss off of a point for me.

I've been living 50/50 in Canada and the US the past 2 years. A lot of time in Montana, some in LA, and most recently in Des Moines. My dad had a bad accident there, serious head trauma. I really don't think he would have made it if he was in Canada. Back in Canada now, everything is slower. There is absolutely no argument, your healthcare is superior. As much as I don't like regulations though, I do think something needs to be done to bring the cost down of US healthcare. In my case, all that was done with my dad was scans and keeping him on fentanyl, propofol, oxycodone. They didn't have to do surgery, just some staples, stitches and monitoring his health and yet it's cost over $500k USD. It's a hard line to walk. I think a good middle ground would be basic free healthcare, with the ability to pay to get better healthcare.

Our taxes could be much much lower if it weren't for the rampant spending. Our healthcare is nowhere near as good as yours, but cost wise it is a fraction of what the government spends. Heck, similar to the high speed rail in California, the cost for our has magically doubled and nothing has even happened yet.

The biggest struggle is the corruption in our government. The Canadian government is compromised. They're trying to train our troops with Chinese troops. Our media is hard left leaning, and anything right wing you need to pay for. Straight up propaganda. It's just spend spend spend and tax tax tax. Our prime minister is a complete retard. He's smart, and not for the right reasons. He has no interest in Canada. And they have this bullshit idea that we can somehow hurt you guys more in a trade war??? We have a fraction of the population, our economy is a fraction of the size. It is pure stupidity to believe we have a leg to stand on if we go against you guys trade wise. We haven't needed to spend jack shit on our military because we rely on you guys. Hell, the Canadian identity for the past 20 years has just been us not being America. Our politics revolve around you guys.

Our PM knows he can just blame our problems on Trump, and Canadians fall for it hook line and sinker. His business is in the US, his family lives in the US, and he's lived in Europe for the past 10 years before becoming PM. That tells you everything, that he doesn't give a shit what happens here. He makes all these announcements, but hasn't completed shit. He's a complete slime ball, hell bent on driving a wedge between our countries and pivoting us to China. The reason he tanked the trade talks was for an election in Quebec, which he now has more popularity from it. But hey, blame Trump.

Our economy is effing HORRIBLE. EVERYTHING costs a shit ton of money, and we're getting bent over by our government. People here are mad because Trump took away the punch bowl, we had been taking advantage of you guys for ages. And our government continues to piss money everywhere unchecked, and just increase taxes. My friends our literally being forced to move their business to the US, because it's straight up unsustainable up here. I sure as hell hope Alberta joins the US, because Canada is a lost country. It's so bad up here. People are completely braindead.

I would absolutely love to pack up and go to Montana permanently. Heading there for a few months in a couple weeks.

I'd look into a motorcycle.

And since you're in Canada, eh, make that with a ski and a studded tire.

I'd rather move lol... Love riding them but no more after seeing my dad wipe out. Where in Montana are you? Heading to Kalispell, would move there in a heartbeat.
 
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I would absolutely love to pack up and go to Montana permanently. Heading there for a few months in a couple weeks.



I'd rather move lol... Love riding them but no more after seeing my dad wipe out.

Sorry to hear about your Dad. I'll send some prayers his way.

Sounds like Canada is more messed up than the US!? We've got plenty of problems here, too, but holy crap!

Where are you headed in Montana?
 
Sorry to hear about your Dad. I'll send some prayers his way.

Sounds like Canada is more messed up than the US!? We've got plenty of problems here, too, but holy crap!

Where are you headed in Montana?

Thank you! He wasn't supposed to make it but he's made an incredibly fast recovery. Blown the doctors away. Stubborn old mule lol.

Canada is so far gone man... It's bad. Far far worse than the US. Guard your freedoms. The house price to wage gap continues growing, taxes continue going up, we're essentially being forced to be government dependent. It's now illegal to quote certain scriptures in the bible, we're overrun with immigrants that bring their gangs and problems over. They've banned thousands and thousands of guns, yet crime has only risen. It's got so bad, that provinces, police forces and even the RCMP is starting to go against government ban orders and enforce the latest round of bans. 98% of owners didn't turn their guns in because everyone is so frustrated. The minister that deals with that stuff is trying to get officers to go door to door seizing the banned guns forcibly.

Kalispell. Just spent Dec, Jan and March there, as well as the Dec and Jan prior to that. Got a bunch of good friends out there, the Governer just did an grand opening on their new building.
 
Be careful hunting for the cheapest diesel when you fill up. High pressure systems can't deal with low grade fuel,contamination and water. Also consider lubricity additives,especially if you have an older diesel that wasn't designed for the current shitty diesel with the good stuff stripped out
 
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That's a pretty good argument, and for the older pre-DEF diesels I'd agree.
For the poor bastards that insist on getting the latest and greatest (or at least anything new enough to require DEF), that argument goes out the window.
I would not consider a newer diesel unless I had a farm/ranch or other business that requires a lot of pulling/hauling. Even then, I'd look real hard at the bigger gas engines before pulling the trigger on a DEF diesel.

You can always make it a post DEF diesel ;)
 
Thank you! He wasn't supposed to make it but he's made an incredibly fast recovery. Blown the doctors away. Stubborn old mule lol.

Canada is so far gone man... It's bad. Far far worse than the US. Guard your freedoms. The house price to wage gap continues growing, taxes continue going up, we're essentially being forced to be government dependent. It's now illegal to quote certain scriptures in the bible, we're overrun with immigrants that bring their gangs and problems over. They've banned thousands and thousands of guns, yet crime has only risen. It's got so bad, that provinces, police forces and even the RCMP is starting to go against government ban orders and enforce the latest round of bans. 98% of owners didn't turn their guns in because everyone is so frustrated. The minister that deals with that stuff is trying to get officers to go door to door seizing the banned guns forcibly.

Kalispell. Just spent Dec, Jan and March there, as well as the Dec and Jan prior to that. Got a bunch of good friends out there, the Governer just did an grand opening on their new building.

Was over in Ontario a couple months ago, nice place but it was nicer to come home.

Sending my guys in a couple weeks to start a project and they'll be there for a few months. Sure be nice if they'd work this trade stuff out sooner rather than later.