Do door hinge plates have threadlocker applied from the factory?

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I recently bought a half door, and I was about to start working on getting it adjusted to fit my Jeep. The slice of wisdom in me reminded me of when I stripped out all those bolts near the windshield because they had threadlocker on them. So before I make a bigger problem, I'd like to know what I'm dealing with here.

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Yes they do.

Remember that if you adjust the doors the paint will break. The easiest solution is to spray clear coat after they're adjusted.
 
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I recently bought a half door, and I was about to start working on getting it adjusted to fit my Jeep. The slice of wisdom in me reminded me of when I stripped out all those bolts near the windshield because they had threadlocker on them. So before I make a bigger problem, I'd like to know what I'm dealing with here.

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At some point one can hope that stuck flat head fasteners and the reasons thereof will become common knowledge. Thread locker does not make them stick or stuck. The reason they are stuck is due to the very large relative surface contact area between the countersunk portions of the head and the hole. Add in some dissimilar metal contact and small driver size relative to the shank, and they will stick and they will be difficult to break loose without stripping.

Think about the rest of the fasteners we deal with. Hex head cap screws (what are commonly referred to as bolts) have a very large head size to shank size ratio. A 5/16" bolt has a 1/2" head or nearly double the size. A Torx flat head 5/16 has a driver and drive hole that is smaller than the shank size. The battle is lost right there on difficult fasteners. There simply isn't enough strength and contact area to not strip.
 
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That makes sense. Would it help at all to heat up the area really well before trying to break them loose?
I certainly would. My suggestion is to insert a torx-adapter into the head of the bolt. Heat that with a torch long enough so the heat travels into the bolt, long enough so the bolt and its threads get REALLY hot to help break it free. I've had torx bolts that were so tight I stripped the first one but stopped to get the rest super hot. The rest came out easily and the first one loosened enough that I was able to get it out too.
 
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I certainly would. My suggestion is to insert a torx-adapter into the head of the bolt. Heat that with a torch long enough so the heat travels into the bolt, long enough so the bolt and its threads get REALLY hot to help break it free. I've had torx bolts that were so tight I stripped the first one but stopped to get the rest super hot. The rest came out easily and the first one loosened enough that I was able to get it out too.
Thanks for this. How hot is REALLY hot? Glow in the dark kinda hot, welding gloves kinda hot or water sizzles a little kinda hot
 
If I remember correctly from a Loctite rep some years ago, around 170F will work.
 
If I remember correctly from a Loctite rep some years ago, around 170F will work.
In the OP's situation that temp would only work if his problem is caused solely by Loctite with no other far more likely issues like corrosion, rust, etc. involved. When the torx bolts I mentioned above seized there was no Loctite anywhere.
 
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Then what is the purpose of the thread locker if the screw is already yielding before unscrewing?
 
At some point one can hope that stuck flat head fasteners and the reasons thereof will become common knowledge. Thread locker does not make them stick or stuck. The reason they are stuck is due to the very large relative surface contact area between the countersunk portions of the head and the hole. Add in some dissimilar metal contact and small driver size relative to the shank, and they will stick and they will be difficult to break loose without stripping.

Think about the rest of the fasteners we deal with. Hex head cap screws (what are commonly referred to as bolts) have a very large head size to shank size ratio. A 5/16" bolt has a 1/2" head or nearly double the size. A Torx flat head 5/16 has a driver and drive hole that is smaller than the shank size. The battle is lost right there on difficult fasteners. There simply isn't enough strength and contact area to not strip.

When I replaced my tailgate hinges, I tried everything to remove it (heat, impact, ect) Long story short, I drilled the heads off. After the hinge was removed, I was able to unthread the remainder of the bolt with my fingers. The bolt head countersink was seized to the hinge countersink. The thread had nothing to do with it...
 
When I replaced my tailgate hinges, I tried everything to remove it (heat, impact, ect) Long story short, I drilled the heads off. After the hinge was removed, I was able to unthread the remainder of the bolt with my fingers. The bolt head countersink was seized to the hinge countersink. The thread had nothing to do with it...
Yep, exactly how I came to take a hard look at a common issue and what the root cause is. Started keeping track of all the bolt heads we drilled off and how easy the shanks threaded out. The head and surface area of contact are the issue, nothing else.
 
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I redid my door last year and stripped the first one. I told myself that the paint in the recessed head was preventing the bit from making good purchase. I found a good podcast to listen to and scraped the paint out of the rest of the fasteners with a pick, hit them with an impact driver and was able to get them without any other issues.

@Jerry Bransford I was chickened out on using heat because it's a painted surface, is it okay to use something relatively low-temp like butane or propane on that area without damaging the paint?
 
I did recommend a propane torch above. Not because it's less likely to damage the paint, solely because it's inexpensive and can easily heat the bolt. If the heat damages the paint on the bolt head just mask the area off and give it a quick shot or two of Duplicolor aerosol spray paint.
 
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I redid my door last year and stripped the first one. I told myself that the paint in the recessed head was preventing the bit from making good purchase. I found a good podcast to listen to and scraped the paint out of the rest of the fasteners with a pick, hit them with an impact driver and was able to get them without any other issues.

@Jerry Bransford I was chickened out on using heat because it's a painted surface, is it okay to use something relatively low-temp like butane or propane on that area without damaging the paint?
The paint does interfere with the grip but not because the paint is slippery but because it adds thickness to the recess and fools folks into using a 1 size smaller Torx bit. If you don't have to tap it in with some force past the paint coating, you are generally using the wrong size bit.
 
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