Rubicon automatic starts in gear? 2003, no wait 2004. Can I change my answer to 2005-06? Awww fuck it, I've lost interest in this stupid guessing game.
2000 Jeep Wrangler 4.0 .... So I went down to the NSS today and cut the wires off of it. I spliced them together and now my jeep starts up without my alt switch assistance.What year?
Do you have an automatic, that's what he was talking about (Rubicon automatic)?2000 Jeep Wrangler 4.0
I don't know what an alternator switch is or why you needed to bypass the trans NSS.2000 Jeep Wrangler 4.0 .... So I went down to the NSS today and cut the wires off of it. I spliced them together and now my jeep starts up without my alt switch assistance.
I've had any number of manual transmission vehicles in my time, the TJ is only the 3rd one with a clutch switch. Kinda dumb if you ask me. We had an '05 Matrix with one, and our '87 F-250 diesel had one that I bypassed. And now the TJ. Americans and their interlocks - yet for decades American vehicles didn't have a starter interlock to prevent keying the starter when the engine was running while everybody else did. The ONE interlock that actually makes "some" sense. Oh - and no locking gas flaps on American vehicles either. *shrug*Over my lifetime I've had 9 "classic" pickups. All but one of those had manual transmissions and all of them would start without pushing the clutch...from the factory. I installed the fuse in my TJ so it will start without the clutch. Second nature to me at this point.
I promise you there was a message on the instrument panel some place that said to step on the brake before starting. Not their fault you can't read.I've had any number of manual transmission vehicles in my time, the TJ is only the 3rd one with a clutch switch. Kinda dumb if you ask me. We had an '05 Matrix with one, and our '87 F-250 diesel had one that I bypassed. And now the TJ. Americans and their interlocks - yet for decades American vehicles didn't have a starter interlock to prevent keying the starter when the engine was running while everybody else did. The ONE interlock that actually makes "some" sense. Oh - and no locking gas flaps on American vehicles either. *shrug*
I recently had to move a guest's "keyless" car for her. Must have taken me 5 minutes to get it started - all because you have to step on the brake to start the car! WTF? Damn automatic transmission is in "park", yet I have to step on the brake? What's up with that?
Yes AutoDo you have an automatic, that's what he was talking about (Rubicon automatic)?
I did a trans swap of an AW-4 into an 05 which has a more convoluted NSS circuit than typical. I asked the owner if he wanted it hooked up since it was a lot harder to do and he said it was fine without it.I've had any number of manual transmission vehicles in my time, the TJ is only the 3rd one with a clutch switch. Kinda dumb if you ask me. We had an '05 Matrix with one, and our '87 F-250 diesel had one that I bypassed. And now the TJ. Americans and their interlocks - yet for decades American vehicles didn't have a starter interlock to prevent keying the starter when the engine was running while everybody else did. The ONE interlock that actually makes "some" sense. Oh - and no locking gas flaps on American vehicles either. *shrug*
I recently had to move a guest's "keyless" car for her. Must have taken me 5 minutes to get it started - all because you have to step on the brake to start the car! WTF? Damn automatic transmission is in "park", yet I have to step on the brake? What's up with that?
Is this an intermittent issue ?I’m thinking about bypassing the neutral safety switch (NSS) permanently and wanted to see if anyone has perspective to add. Went out to turn on the Jeep and with the key in the Start position the only thing that happened was the Brake light came on. Battery is good, starter is good, neutral safety switch is showing continuity when in Park and Neutral, and ignition switch is new-ish. I have currently bypassed the NSS by hooking up a wire to my starter and then touching the other end to the positive post on the battery to get it started (quick and dirty). I’ve worked a majority of the weekend on this and cannot think of anything else to check. Any thoughts? Thanks!
I did a trans swap of an AW-4 into an 05 which has a more convoluted NSS circuit than typical. I asked the owner if he wanted it hooked up since it was a lot harder to do and he said it was fine without it.
After we got done, I pulled it into the driveway a few feet from another rig I was working on to do some other bits. I hopped my ass in the seat with my legs out the door and needed to check the starter circuit for some reason. I forgot the NSS was disabled and didn't check to see if it was in gear, it was and upon starting it hopped forward and almost hit the rig in front of it before I could get my legs in and stop the ratcheting against the parking pawl from me slamming it into park to try and stop it as I was getting my foot in and on the brake. After I got it backed up, we built the NSS circuit and got it working properly.
And before you blame that on anything but good common sense, I learned to drive in a 1960 GMC pick-up with 3 on the tree so I was used to stuff starting in gear, just not autos.
Yea - you kinda expect an auto to not start in gear, I can see how that would happen! I learned on a '63 GMC with the SM-420 4 speed, then graduated to a '71 MBZ 220D. The GMC was the easiest to clutch for a beginner by far....And before you blame that on anything but good common sense, I learned to drive in a 1960 GMC pick-up with 3 on the tree so I was used to stuff starting in gear, just not autos.
Yea - you kinda expect an auto to not start in gear, I can see how that would happen! I learned on a '63 GMC with the SM-420 4 speed, then graduated to a '71 MBZ 220D. The GMC was the easiest to clutch for a beginner by far.
To be clear, the same fucks also think fool injection is stupid.the problems it causes are far outweighed by the effort put forth here to rally against it.
My 2019 manual truck has a clutch start switch. Not a surprise, but what is nice is there is a factory bypass switch on the dash that will one-time-use disable the clutch start requirement if you need to. Kind of a best of both worlds solution to me. I prefer to have the switch to idiot proof others that might drive my truck, such as a dealer worker for a warranty issue, or an inspection station worker or whatever else. I do my own work so not usually a problem but sometimes it just ends up with someone else behind the wheel and in 2022, I want a manual idiot-proofed. The bypass is what makes it livable though.I've had any number of manual transmission vehicles in my time, the TJ is only the 3rd one with a clutch switch. Kinda dumb if you ask me. We had an '05 Matrix with one, and our '87 F-250 diesel had one that I bypassed. And now the TJ. Americans and their interlocks - yet for decades American vehicles didn't have a starter interlock to prevent keying the starter when the engine was running while everybody else did. The ONE interlock that actually makes "some" sense. Oh - and no locking gas flaps on American vehicles either. *shrug*
I recently had to move a guest's "keyless" car for her. Must have taken me 5 minutes to get it started - all because you have to step on the brake to start the car! WTF? Damn automatic transmission is in "park", yet I have to step on the brake? What's up with that?
Ain’t got a hair on your ass if you aren’t outside adjusting the carb every time temps drop 20°.To be clear, the same fucks also think fool injection is stupid.
Ain’t got a hair on your ass if you aren’t outside adjusting the carb every time temps drop 20°.
Hah, don't worry, I wasn't serious. I have zero desire to mess with a carb again and I haven't had to mess with them much myself in general. From the small amount I have, I don't ever want to again.I've got lots of hair on my ass, but it's old and grey and doesn't take well to being exposed to 20-degree temps anymore.
I've been leaning this way as well. I don't like the switch at all - BUT - in this day and age of idiots, I don't want to get sued because some moron doesn't know to push the clutch in OR make sure the vehicle is in neutral. I'm thinking about adding a PBNO on the dash wired across the clutch switch. Then I can crank without depressing clutch if I want to.My 2019 manual truck has a clutch start switch. Not a surprise, but what is nice is there is a factory bypass switch on the dash that will one-time-use disable the clutch start requirement if you need to. Kind of a best of both worlds solution to me. I prefer to have the switch to idiot proof others that might drive my truck, such as a dealer worker for a warranty issue, or an inspection station worker or whatever else. I do my own work so not usually a problem but sometimes it just ends up with someone else behind the wheel and in 2022, I want a manual idiot-proofed. The bypass is what makes it livable though.