Are these shitty control arms?

Somehow I knew you were going to bring up airplanes. Have you ever seen the maintenance and replacement schedule for airplane parts? As a matter of fact, aircraft parts DO get replaced on a regular basis because of the fatigue life of aluminum. I'll pass on that, thanks.

Same goes for race vehicles. They inspect parts after every race and their sponsors buy them new ones when they crack and break.

I have to say, I'm starting to understand why other people in this forum give you shit. You're kind of a know-it-all dickhead.

So unless you can come up with any reason why I should have picked Savvy arms over Currie, I will consider this conversation concluded.

Good day.
You don't get it and clearly never will. No big surprise and definitely no big deal.

P.S. I've piloted a lot of older utility rated aircraft and virtually all, including those commonly used for aerobatics, were still in their original aluminum skins.

P.P.S. Next time you want to call someone you don't know a "dickhead", be sure to look in your own mirror first.
 
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Aerobatics mostly in the Czech built Zlin 242, starting in a Citabria. The rest were Pipers and Cessnas.
I know a guy that has what I think is a 242, engine is about timed out, also had a friend that had a zlin 50, he died of sepsis a few years ago. The guy with the 50 also started in a citabria, all good airplanes. I am more into bush flying but I have done a few split s's because my airplane doesn't like to roll with 100 hp and 37' of wingspan. Tim
 
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I won't claim to be an expert in metallurgy so take it for whatever. Not all aluminum is created equal. Aluminum is used for engine blocks, heads, piston rods, suspension components, body panels, differential parts, etc. I would suspect that an aluminum head would see far more "fatigue" than a simple aluminum bar like a control arm. I have built several 9" Ford racing diffs, both steel and aluminum. Neither lasted longer than the other. In the right application, aluminum is completely acceptable.
 
You bush pilots are where it's at, that level of flying is on a whole different level. I always dreamed of building a STOL with tundra tires and actually started building an Avid Magnum. Then I figured out what it was really going to cost once I priced its O-320 engine and sold what I had done lol.
 
I have to say, I'm starting to understand why other people in this forum give you shit. You're kind of a know-it-all dickhead.

Man, that was really unwarranted.

Do you know how many people @mrblaine has helped out over the years? He is so patient and helpful to people who ask him for advice and never pushes anyone to buy anything he sells or has designed. Just see the initial few posts in thread! One of the genuinely knowledgeable and very helpful people on the forums and you call him such ugly words?

Savvy stuff is outstanding quality and it's not forum groupthink. It's ok not to want them, that's your personal choice but personal attacks are not cool.
 
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I limit myself to 800' of runway because I dont have flaps and I only have 100 horsepower. Oh and my airplane only has about 4 pieces of 4130 steel, the rest is 1020 or 1025 DOM. but there was not much 4130 before World War 2
 
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I have to say, I'm starting to understand why other people in this forum give you shit. You're kind of a know-it-all dickhead.

Oh come on. Not only is that uncalled for on this forum, @mrblaine has the respect of almost everyone here. Not because of being a “know-it-all-dickhead” but because he takes the time to explain the time and effort that goes into creating high quality parts that fit a specific application. Take that BS out of here man.
 
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If anyone reads Blaines posts, he is actually very patient, if one is willing to open their mind and learn. But no, he does not tolerate BS, or claims made with no basis.

@psrivats & @BuildBreakRepeat, some people just cannot articulate intelligently when challenged; it is far easier to name call and disparage.
 
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Apologies to the OP as we seem to have totally derailed your thread. 😶
If you have any more questions or would like follow-up information on anything that was offered (back when we were answering your questions), please jump back in or feel free to start with a new post.

Carry on.
 
Somehow I knew you were going to bring up airplanes. Have you ever seen the maintenance and replacement schedule for airplane parts? As a matter of fact, aircraft parts DO get replaced on a regular basis because of the fatigue life of aluminum. I'll pass on that, thanks.

Same goes for race vehicles. They inspect parts after every race and their sponsors buy them new ones when they crack and break.

I have to say, I'm starting to understand why other people in this forum give you shit. You're kind of a know-it-all dickhead.

So unless you can come up with any reason why I should have picked Savvy arms over Currie, I will consider this conversation concluded.

Good day.
Actually yes on both, military has one way, commercial has another. 5 years Air Force, 8 years Army, 20 years A&P mechanic. I am probably the only person you will ever meet that did not ever go to an army school and I had 3 MOS's. I also worked on GMD missiles, ICBM's, Huey's, Blackhawks, Apaches, F-15's, KC135's and a bunch of other stuff to include 747's, MD10's, DC10, DC6's and the we can talk Comanche, Tripacer, Colt, cub, taylorcraft, and all of the engines to support them. They all have some aluminum and steel in them.

I personally dont like jonny joints because I worked on Helicopters and they use similar joints on the rotor pitch system that fail, but a dual durometer bushings appeal to me because that style of joint was used to hold the rotor blades on and it worked.

Blaine has a lot of experience and I have learned to curb my smart ass comments to both him and Jerry Bransford because they both are truely helpful. If you disagree, you can be nice and just say, "From my experience, I have seen blah blah blah and that is why I do not agree." Every once in a while I get snarky and want to call someone a dumbass, but now I just try my best to hold my tongue. Peace brother...
 
I personally dont like jonny joints because I worked on Helicopters and they use similar joints on the rotor pitch system that fail, but a dual durometer bushings appeal to me because that style of joint was used to hold the rotor blades on and it worked.
When our pitch control links had metal balls they wore out much quicker than the current ceramic ones.
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Somehow I knew you were going to bring up airplanes. Have you ever seen the maintenance and replacement schedule for airplane parts? As a matter of fact, aircraft parts DO get replaced on a regular basis because of the fatigue life of aluminum. I'll pass on that, thanks.

Same goes for race vehicles. They inspect parts after every race and their sponsors buy them new ones when they crack and break.

I have to say, I'm starting to understand why other people in this forum give you shit. You're kind of a know-it-all dickhead.

So unless you can come up with any reason why I should have picked Savvy arms over Currie, I will consider this conversation concluded.

Good day.
It would probably help you somewhat, doubtful but possible if you understand I have been part of Savvy/Currie's race program for quite awhile. No, no sponsor replaces their aluminum control arms when they crack and break for 2 reasons, they don't crack and break and they don't have a sponsor for their arms, they build their own.

The other giant glaring flaw in your assumption is if an arm did have a reasonable expectation of cracking and breaking, it would be made of a different material because a cracked and broken control arm will take you out of the race. They never raced to lose, they always raced to win and you can't win with broken parts or parts that might break.

For the sake of discussion, let's chat about your high stress for a moment. The fatigue life of aluminum comes into play when (in this case) the arm would be flexed perpendicular to it's long axis at a degree which could start to cause failure. Since a control arm (in context) operates almost solely in tension and compression, it is impossible for that type failure to occur. Where it can come into play is if the threaded shank on an end has been left loose with marginal engagement, the threads can fail. The same will also occur with any threaded steel tube as well so it is an issue of no consequence since the viability of both depends on proper maintenance and use.

That should convince all but the most stubborn that aluminum in the proper alloy and size will be sufficient for use as a control arm but we do need to chat some more about actual high stress situations and uses. Here is a pic of a product I developed.
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That is a 6061-T6 caliper adapter bracket being used with a 13.25" rotor and the caliper from the front of a 05 Dodge Ram 1500 to reign in 37 and 40" tires on a TJ. We built and put several hundred out there, many in front of hydroboost. 100% success rate with zero failures. Certainly that qualifies as high stress, no? In fact, we used the same material to build the same brackets in sizes for 15" kits, 16" kits, and that one, the 17" kits. A couple thousand of them in use without a single failure.

Someone knowledgeable will point out that we no longer do them that way and instead have a 1 piece knuckle for the various sizes but that is not due to anything other than the fact we could not acquire a consistent supply of core knuckles, nothing else.

As for why you should have purchased Savvy over Currie, I don't have any reason that you should have. You are more than welcome to pick either one or neither but you can not discount the Savvy arm as being a viable option due to material because that is wrong. There are thousands and thousands in use and due to the way the internet works, if there was an issue with improper material causing a problem, those examples would be very well documented and brought up in every control arm discussion.

To address the claim of being a know it all dickhead, well, the dick head part is pretty common. I generally give those that are wrong that impression. In fact, I'm often called arrogant and condescending, but never by anyone that knows more than I do about something. The know it all part I'll own most of since it is my job to know how materials work and apply them properly to a product and put that in the hands of folks whose lives can depend on me knowing what I am doing.
 
I won't claim to be an expert in metallurgy so take it for whatever. Not all aluminum is created equal. Aluminum is used for engine blocks, heads, piston rods, suspension components, body panels, differential parts, etc. I would suspect that an aluminum head would see far more "fatigue" than a simple aluminum bar like a control arm. I have built several 9" Ford racing diffs, both steel and aluminum. Neither lasted longer than the other. In the right application, aluminum is completely acceptable.
My rear axle. Has lived its entire life turning 40" sticky tires in Johnson Valley.
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Actually yes on both, military has one way, commercial has another. 5 years Air Force, 8 years Army, 20 years A&P mechanic. I am probably the only person you will ever meet that did not ever go to an army school and I had 3 MOS's. I also worked on GMD missiles, ICBM's, Huey's, Blackhawks, Apaches, F-15's, KC135's and a bunch of other stuff to include 747's, MD10's, DC10, DC6's and the we can talk Comanche, Tripacer, Colt, cub, taylorcraft, and all of the engines to support them. They all have some aluminum and steel in them.

I personally dont like jonny joints because I worked on Helicopters and they use similar joints on the rotor pitch system that fail, but a dual durometer bushings appeal to me because that style of joint was used to hold the rotor blades on and it worked.

Blaine has a lot of experience and I have learned to curb my smart ass comments to both him and Jerry Bransford because they both are truely helpful. If you disagree, you can be nice and just say, "From my experience, I have seen blah blah blah and that is why I do not agree." Every once in a while I get snarky and want to call someone a dumbass, but now I just try my best to hold my tongue. Peace brother...
The only problem is you are comparing apples to pomegranates while overlooking the very basic fact that there are very few known examples of worn out JJs. You also have no experience with JJ's. In fact you are doing the exact thing the name caller is doing and using one misapplied fact to determine the validity of another product and it has no bearing on the actual appropriate usage or the product nor can you assign those particular bad qualities to the actual product.

You are doing about the equivalent of seeing someone have a flat tire on a car and then going out and trying to find solid rubber tires for an auto because it is too hard to keep that pesky air from leaking out of conventional automotive tires.
 
At the price of those Tier Three's, you're only $200 away from the price of a full set (upper and lower, front and rear) of bona fide Currie Johnny Joint control arms which are pretty much the gold standard. Also, the Currie's have johnny Joints on both ends (where applicable) whereas the Tier Three's only have them on one end (assuming they are even real Johnny Joints; which I doubt).

Their "guarantee" isn't really worth that much either because it's not about breaking them (anybody here ever actually break a half decent control arm?), it's about them wearing out and becoming sloppy (and/or noisy). My advice is to go with a reputable brand name with a good history and, as @Chris said, do it once and be done.

They use JJ, same JJ used by different vendors.

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