thanks guys, this thread reminds me, I have to remove the safety belts for the backseat of my TJ before my next trip out into the desert or dunes..since I've removed my rear seat, and replaced it with my spare tire, the belts are no longer needed and the noise they make on the highway while getting to the trails can be annoying.. I never think about them when I'm just tooling around town or my neighborhood..didn't have this issue with the YJ since it had a sport bar and only had lap belts for the rear seat passengers