I was watching for an M8000 up until about a month ago. With steel line, $550 was about as low as I saw them new. I scored a new in box (still stapled shut) Warn Zeon10 for $600 from Craigslist when most places online have it at $1000, so $450 for that is not crazy low. Call them up and buy it FTF. I would have jumped on something like that when I was looking.