My 04 Rubicon build

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what force are you thinking about?
You know, "The Force." Midichlorians and all that!

I guess I'm wondering if I hit the slider on the outer edge from underneath, an upward force on the angled portion, what it might do to the four clips with stainless 5/16' bolts. Is it going to push the slider up and toward the tub? Maybe I'm over-thinking it.
 
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You know, "The Force." Midichlorians and all that!

I guess I'm wondering if I hit the slider on the outer edge from underneath, an upward force on the angled portion, what it might do to the four clips with stainless 5/16' bolts. Is it going to push the slider up and toward the tub? Maybe I'm over-thinking it.
You were replying while I was drawing this.

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They should stay pretty well captured. The slider won't be able to move in, as its reinforced against the tub and bracket under the seat. It can't move up, because the torque box prevents that movement (unless the torque box collapses). The down force is pretty minimal...just you stepping on it or you have bigger problems (think rollover) . I think the clips would be fine, but I don't like them. That is why I installed the rivnuts. I'm just now thinking I told you the rivnut idea didn't work...and maybe you're confused. Let me try to explain...

The rivnuts on the backing plates...The ones that hold the slider where your foot would go, those worked great. The rivnuts I planned on installing into the torque boxes...Not so well...not that the concept is bad, but its VERY difficult to install 3/8" Rivnuts square, working on your back, without the proper tools. That is what I struggled with. Tried to use my impact, but over compressed them...used a ratchet and didn't compress them enough. I have one spinning on me now.

Also, When I installed the backing plate, I pushed it too high on the tub by about an 1/8". I'll need to slot my tub holes to get it lined up.
 

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You were replying while I was drawing this.

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They should stay pretty well captured. The slider won't be able to move in, as its reinforced against the tub and bracket under the seat. It can't move up, because the torque box prevents that movement (unless the torque box collapses). The down force is pretty minimal...just you stepping on it or you have bigger problems (think rollover) . I think the clips would be fine, but I don't like them. That is why I installed the rivnuts. I'm just now thinking I told you the rivnut idea didn't work...and maybe you're confused. Let me try to explain...

The rivnuts on the backing plates...The ones that hold the slider where your foot would go, those worked great. The rivnuts I planned on installing into the torque boxes...Not so well...not that the concept is bad, but its VERY difficult to install 3/8" Rivnuts square, working on your back, without the proper tools. That is what I struggled with. Tried to use my impact, but over compressed them...used a ratchet and didn't compress them enough. I have one spinning on me now.

Also, When I installed the backing plate, I pushed it too high on the tub by about an 1/8". I'll need to slot my tub holes to get it lined up.
This post is priceless. I was confused. I thought you were saying the rivnuts in place of the clips didn't work. I may have been confused on what you were originally trying to do with the rivnuts, though I do remember you saying you were going to use them under the tub since you didn't like the idea of bolts sticking up into the footwells, so maybe I was following, but I think I thought the problem with the rivnuts was where the slider connected to the backing plate. I think I follow now and see where you had trouble; under the tub installing rivnuts.

So, just for clarity, you suggest the following

1) use the supplied hardware to mount under the tub,
2) use rivnuts for the four locations the slider mounts to the backing plate
3) use bolts for the side of the backplate to the tub

Do I understand your process? Thanks for the drawing. I can really see how this would protect the tub.
 
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This post is priceless. I was confused. I thought you were saying the rivnuts in place of the clips didn't work. I may have been confused on what you were originally trying to do with the rivnuts, though I do remember you saying you were going to use them under the tub since you didn't like the idea of bolts sticking up into the footwells, so maybe I was following, but I think I thought the problem with the rivnuts was where the slider connected to the backing plate. I think I follow now and see where you had trouble; under the tub installing rivnuts.

So, just for clarity, you suggest the following

1) use the supplied hardware to mount under the tub,
2) use rivnuts for the four locations the slider mounts to the backing plate
3) use bolts for the side of the backplate to the tub

Do I understand your process? Thanks for the drawing. I can really see how this would protect the tub.
You got it. I did just get off the phone with JCR. I'm not super impressed...They said the sheetmetal will give, but it will eventually stop (which I found). Then they said tight, plus a quarter turn. My engineering brain is jumping up and down saying NO, NO, NO, NO! Unfortunately, I did not have the opportunity to talk with the designer...only the Tech support guy that answered the phone. When you install yours, you'll know exactly what I'm talking about.
 
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Did you have to drill out the slider mount on the backplate since you went with 3/8” rivnuts? I was just going to use 5/16”, so I can use the supplied hardware. I think the pilot hole is 1/2” for a 5/16.
 
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Did you have to drill out the slider mount on the backplate since you went with 3/8” rivnuts? I was just going to use 5/16”, so I can use the supplied hardware. I think the pilot hole is 1/2” for a 5/16.
Yeah I drilled it out to 17/32. It depends on the rivnut. The ones that are included with the sliders are 5/16 and they use a 17/32 drill too. so...measure the rivnuts you get.
 
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Finally got the ol' girl a winch! Yeah, its not a Warn...is a Gen 2 Smittybilt X2O. Seems pretty nice so far. Synthetic Rope, Runs pretty fast, seems a lot smoother operating than the other Chinese Winches my Buddies run. Fit and Finish are pretty good too. The wires are nice and flexible (which means they used a High strand count wire ->higher quality), Overall, I'm Happy with my purchase

Only had one installation issue...My discount Chinese Bumper did not have a big enough opening for the fairlead.
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Since its a synthetic rope, I didn't want that edge there. I was afraid of abrasion. Out comes my trusty die grinder with a carbide burr and opened the hole up. Had to do both sides. Other than that, it was smooth sailing.
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My yard isn't big enough to unspool the whole rope and pull it in under a load to stretch it, so I need to do that still. I also want to get some loom for the wires to the battery.
 

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Finally got the ol' girl a winch! Yeah, its not a Warn...is a Gen 2 Smittybilt X2O. Seems pretty nice so far. Synthetic Rope, Runs pretty fast, seems a lot smoother operating than the other Chinese Winches my Buddies run. Fit and Finish are pretty good too. The wires are nice and flexible (which means they used a High strand count wire ->higher quality), Overall, I'm Happy with my purchase

Only had one installation issue...My discount Chinese Bumper did not have a big enough opening for the fairlead.
View attachment 46037

Since its a synthetic rope, I didn't want that edge there. I was afraid of abrasion. Out comes my trusty die grinder with a carbide burr and opened the hole up. Had to do both sides. Other than that, it was smooth sailing.
View attachment 46038

My yard isn't big enough to unspool the whole rope and pull it in under a load to stretch it, so I need to do that still. I also want to get some loom for the wires to the battery.
Coming along very nice; rust at bay, sliders and now winch. Looking great!
 
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Finally got the ol' girl a winch! Yeah, its not a Warn...is a Gen 2 Smittybilt X2O. Seems pretty nice so far. Synthetic Rope, Runs pretty fast, seems a lot smoother operating than the other Chinese Winches my Buddies run. Fit and Finish are pretty good too. The wires are nice and flexible (which means they used a High strand count wire ->higher quality), Overall, I'm Happy with my purchase

Only had one installation issue...My discount Chinese Bumper did not have a big enough opening for the fairlead.
View attachment 46037

Since its a synthetic rope, I didn't want that edge there. I was afraid of abrasion. Out comes my trusty die grinder with a carbide burr and opened the hole up. Had to do both sides. Other than that, it was smooth sailing.
View attachment 46038

My yard isn't big enough to unspool the whole rope and pull it in under a load to stretch it, so I need to do that still. I also want to get some loom for the wires to the battery.
P.s. when I first got my bumper like that I ran it with the hook and one D-ring. It rubbed under the top edge of the bumper. Just letting you know. I’m sure the best solution is a thimble.
 
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P.s. when I first got my bumper like that I ran it with the hook and one D-ring. It rubbed under the top edge of the bumper. Just letting you know. I’m sure the best solution is a thimble.
Yeah, I would like a thimble, but gonna wait a bit. I could probably just run the hook to the fairlead, the way its assembled, the hook isn't going to pull through.
 

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Yeah, I would like a thimble, but gonna wait a bit. I could probably just run the hook to the fairlead, the way its assembled, the hook isn't going to pull through.
That was my final configuration. I don’t like it against my aluminum fairlead, but it’s the best I could come up with. In TX we have to boast a front license plate, so I have a Tuffy that closes over the fairlead and hook. It swings up out of the way if AND when I need the winch (to pull someone else out, of course). :D
 
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Finally got the ol' girl a winch! Yeah, its not a Warn...is a Gen 2 Smittybilt X2O. Seems pretty nice so far. Synthetic Rope, Runs pretty fast, seems a lot smoother operating than the other Chinese Winches my Buddies run. Fit and Finish are pretty good too. The wires are nice and flexible (which means they used a High strand count wire ->higher quality), Overall, I'm Happy with my purchase

Only had one installation issue...My discount Chinese Bumper did not have a big enough opening for the fairlead.
View attachment 46037

Since its a synthetic rope, I didn't want that edge there. I was afraid of abrasion. Out comes my trusty die grinder with a carbide burr and opened the hole up. Had to do both sides. Other than that, it was smooth sailing.
View attachment 46038

My yard isn't big enough to unspool the whole rope and pull it in under a load to stretch it, so I need to do that still. I also want to get some loom for the wires to the battery.
I've been running the same winch for a while now. I almost bought the Warn like I had on my last TJ. However, I know so many people around here who wheel the piss out of their rigs. All of them are using this same Smittybilt winch, and some of them have had it for years, using it almost daily, without any failures whatsoever.

Inspired by that, I decided to buy one for myself (especially since you can't argue with the price). I figure I won't even use it half as much as these guys do (nor in the same extremes as they do), so I can't go wrong.

It seems like a great winch for the money.
 
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Well...I am looking at tires and wheels. The jk setup just isnt doing it for me after my lift. I have my guy quoting a set of American racing ansens, in 15" diameter, with some General Grabbers. Not sure if I'm going 10.5 or 12.5 yet. I'll probably do 12.5, just because it looks so damn good. Functionally, I know the 10.5's will be better.

Here is the wheel I'm looking at. 15 x 8 with 3.75" backspacing. Should look pretty sharp.

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Check out Tirecrawler.com and see what they have for prices. While I always buy Toyo tires, and Toyos have free shipping, I would be curious to know what kind of price difference you encounter when shipping is factored in. If your guy can match this place, I'd be impressed. :)



Specs
Part #: 04506840000
Tire Size: 33X10.50R15LT
Service Description: 114Q
UTQG: N/A
Mileage Warranty: N/A
Load Range: C (6 Ply)
Side Wall: SRL


$182.59 each
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Very nice wheel choice. 12.5” really does look so good. There’s a point in a build where there’s more Jeep than tire and then a point when there’s more tire than Jeep. It’s right at the point where there’s more tire that I go, “Ahhh.”

I like that the edge of the wheel is black rather than machined because if you do happen to grab a rim, it’s easier to touch up black than it is a machined surface. Good call. That will really change the look of your Jeep! I really already like it as is. Just saying!
 
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