Paying off credit debt

Was the re-plumb charge in the realm of $6000-$7,000+??
If it was, then thats why

One of the credit scoring lessons I learned
Never ever charge or carry 30% of your credit limit
Its a HUGE hit

Ideally, never carry debt
But even a 30% charge brings a BIG hit

I figured that out the hard way. I paid my CC all off then put a large purchase on one with the intention of paying it off the next month. My credit score dropped 80 points!!! The charge was near my credit limit so I knew it would drop my score but 80 points? Hot damn won't do that again.

The other thing that pisses me off is they are so quick to report the negative things but it takes months sometimes to show improvement on your score.

As said before it's a game
 
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Was the re-plumb charge (or balance after) in the realm of $6000-$7,000+?? If it was, then thats why

One of the credit scoring lessons I learned
Never ever charge or carry 30% of your credit limit
Its a HUGE hit

Ideally, never carry debt
But even a 30% charge brings a BIG hit
Nope, it was the entire damn job. I paid it off when due, but the plumber wanted me to pay that way (surprisingly), and I got the cash back. The credit score took a nosedive to the low 700s for a couple of months. I wouldn't really care except I was shopping for car insurance at the same time and THOSE bastards use your credit score. Makes ZERO sense, but there it is...

So if I can't use the credit when I need it, why even have it? If I'd had a couple more cards and had a $60K credit line, I wouldn't have taken the hit? That too makes absolutely zero sense - I still would owe the $20K. Fucking games - I *HATE* games and everybody wants to play them.
 
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Dont feel too bad

I typically grab any and all “Free cash” cards and payoff immediately after charging the $1000 to get free $300, or $4000 (Chase Sapphire) cards to get $1000.

At one point I closed 3 or 4 Chase cards because I got my free cash, and forgot to close them. So 2-3 years go by with empty cards. I called to close them all, and Chase transferred all their credit lines making my credit line HUGE to my 1 remaining Amazon charge card

I HAD a 843 and my score dropped 150 pts and it took a looong time to get it back up. There is another scoring aystem that goes to 950 iirc but its not FICO
 
When I paid off my mortgage my credit score went down! Took a few months but it did recover. Never made sense to me.

"dang, he paid it off.. we wanted his interest fees as income. well F it, drop his score anyways" :ROFLMAO:

score numbers appear to be a game. never important until the day you need them to be important unfortunately.
 
First off set up a budget and keep to it. Live within your means. Forget about which card has the highest interest rate, it does not amount to that much if you are serious about paying off all the cards. Start by paying off the smallest balance amount first. This will show you progress and give you encouragement to continue the process. Your credit rating is based on your available credit and your payment history. I never carry over a balance and my scores hove around 800.
Second do not listen to people who are not fiscally responsible themselves. It’s not an easy process but worth it in the long run.
Third listen to Dave Ramsey he has great advice on getting debt free.
My history: the wife and I have been debt free for over 10yrs since we paid off our last mortgage. I personally have 2 Airline cards that I use for miles. I use them for everything I can and pay them off every month.
It’s really a hard process to get debt free but you will find that the lifestyle changes you make will allow you to stay debt free.
Saving pennies makes dollars.
Good luck on your journey to financial independence.
 
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Credit scores are a fucking game, and only the BANKS win. Thought I'd get a "90 days same as cash" deal on about $5K. Credit score hovers around 830 or so, no debt, etc, etc. Was turned down because I "Didn't have a mortgage loan in the last 12 months". Whatever.

they are a fucking JOKE ! last month I got a email saying my credit score fell 23 points 😱 WHAT THE FUCK ! I have paid interest on a CC 1 time in OVER 40 YEARS and never missed a payment, I was pissed to say the least. they said it was because my usage was too high ! well I had to pay 1800 for a MRI and booked a Alaska cruise in the same month. but the fucking bill wasn't even due and hadn't even closed out for the monthly cycle yet ! man was I pissed off ! fired off a email to Experian and asked if they do loans because I would give them a good reason to lower my score after they give me a large loan ! DID I SAY I WAS REALLY PISSED OFF ? WELL I WENT AHEAD AND NOT ONLY PAID MY UNDUE BALANCE BUT MADE A PAYMENT SO I HAD A CREDIT ON MY CC NEEDLESS TO SAY I GOT MY 23 POINTS BACK PLUS A FEW !!!!
 
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I've been completely debt free for a while now.

We have one CC that we use for almost everything except groceries (separate one for groceries) and pay them off in full every month.

The only reason we use them at all is to get the points/perks that come with the card.
 
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they are a fucking JOKE ! last month I got a email saying my credit score fell 23 points 😱 WHAT THE FUCK ! I have paid interest on a CC 1 time in OVER 40 YEARS and never missed a payment, I was pissed to say the least. they said it was because my usage was too high ! well I had to pay 1800 for a MRI and booked a Alaska cruise in the same month. but the fucking bill wasn't even due and hadn't even closed out for the monthly cycle yet ! man was I pissed off ! fired off a email to Experian and asked if they do loans because I would give them a good reason to lower my score after they give me a large loan ! DID I SAY I WAS REALLY PISSED OFF ? WELL I WENT AHEAD AND NOT ONLY PAID MY UNDUE BALANCE BUT MADE A PAYMENT SO I HAD A CREDIT ON MY CC NEEDLESS TO SAY I GOT MY 23 POINTS BACK PLUS A FEW !!!!

I feel your pain. Its a crock of shit. Why should I even have this credit if I can't use it? I haven't carried a balance in over 30 years. I seem to recall that at one time it was more about "income to debt ratio", but now that doesn't seem to be the case at all...
 
The only reason we use them at all is to get the points/perks that come with the card.
Exactly. Nobody takes checks anymore, and they're a hassle anyway - and I won't use a debit card for ANYTHING other than ATM withdrawals (rare). So I got a cash back card.

Another anecdote: I usually fuel up at one of two gas station chains, using their cards as I save 10 cents/gal from one, and I think 5 cents with the other. A few weeks back, I was very low on fuel, in an unfamiliar part of town, and neither of my preferred stations in sight. So I pulled into a Wawa and tried to use my MasterCard - which was fucking declined! I pulled out my Amex, and used that - and called MasterCard when I got home and filled their ear. I do understand why they did what they did - I NEVER use it for fuel - but thank Goddess I had the Amex, otherwise I would have been pushing 4,200 lbs of Mercedes Diesel...

My late father really never had a general purpose credit card like Visa or MasterCard - just a Sears, and the occasional oil card. At one point he got a Visa from one of those pre-screened mailed offers. First time he tried to use it, it was declined - so he cut it in two and mailed it back to them. He pretty much paid for everything in cash, but always had a blank check in his wallet just in case.
 
I charge everything usually 5-7K/mo to get the points, pay it off every month. Was putting $1,000 extra every month on my house to principal, paid it off in 12 years. Bought the second house cash due to not having a mortgage payment for 10 years on the main house.

As stated above, do not live above your means. Get a bonus or tax return, save it don't spend it. If possible max out 401K or at minimum up to a company match. Even if you can't afford it the match is 100% interest on your contribution....pull out the contribution the next month to meet your bills.
 
Watch Dave Ramsey online, or listen to his radio show.

His advice is generally my financial model when it comes to the baby steps, his thoughts on debt and auto loans, etc.

There are some housing guidelines he preaches that while certainly attractive from a cash flow standpoint I'm not sure are practical in a post COVID economy, like keeping your house payment under 25% of your take home pay with a 15 year mortgage. I'm pretty conservative with our vehicles and we don't waste a bunch of money on eating out and luxury purchases but our house (and 4 acres) is where we live and it's a major piece of the childhood I want my kids to experience and I'm just not gonna put our lives on hold waiting (probably fruitlessly) for interest rates to return to 3%. Things will get more comfortable when my wife graduates and if interest rates do come down, I'll refi.
 
I only have this to say do not buy coffee on the way to work brew it at home. Do not eat lunch out. Do not give your wife all your money and expect to have any. LOL all my coworkers used wonder how I had any money for stuff. Pay off the cards and only use them when you have to and pay them off every month.
 
Dump the smartphone...

And as many other monthly subscriptions as you can. They'll $9.99/mo you to death.
 
I only have this to say do not buy coffee on the way to work brew it at home. Do not eat lunch out. Do not give your wife all your money and expect to have any. LOL all my coworkers used wonder how I had any money for stuff. Pay off the cards and only use them when you have to and pay them off every month.

Totally correct, I bought my iced coffee at Dunkin last week (wife had early meeting) and it was $4.55...WTF I can buy 10OZ of flavored coffee at Lidl for that (and do 6 packages at a time). I try to never buy lunch.
 
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Credit scores, what a bullshit banking industry scam to keep us all wallowing in never ending revolving debt servitude.

Any system that concludes some shithead making minimum payments on 7 credit cards along with a car payment or two is a better ‘risk’ than the guy that makes no payments on anything because he has zero debt is a scam.

Sadly it’s the system we find ourselves in.

I’m another Dave Ramsey fan, mostly, I do differ in his ‘no credit card usage ever, period’ advice. I think they’re fine if you can control yourself. I can so a credit card is nothing more than a tool of convenience rather than a piece of plastic fairy dust that gives me free crap on demand. I’m guessing Ramsey’s position is based on the reality that 90% of the population can’t control themselves, in fact he cites data to back that up all the time, thus the blanket prohibition, it would complicate his simple process to start giving exceptions.

I didn’t stumble onto him until I was in my mid-fiddys, but he had instant credibility as I had been employing his principles my whole life already & knew they worked. Funny thing about him is he preaches what used to be simple everyday common sense, the kind of things our parents taught us way back when, but sadly the kind of things modern America ignores, so in today’s world his concepts seem almost novel, certainly not mainstream.

Anyway, he would tell you to ignore interest rates and pay off the lowest balance credit card first, then tackle the card with the next biggest balance using the extra money you now have from knocking out the prior debt, repeat, chewing your way up the ladder until you’ve wiped out all debts, the longer you do this the bigger and faster the snowball rolls. Doing it this way gives you small victories early on keeping you motivated as the snowball smashes through your debts one at a time.

That’s assuming you have no money in the bank. Since you have enough dough to knock out the big balance big interest one however, just get rid of it immediately even in violation of the Ramsey code of conduct, then blow the smaller one out as soon as possible. Then start stacking cash like a bandit, the bigger the buffer the better.

I’d be more concerned about the dollars in my pocket than the credit score. You only ‘need’ a ‘good credit score’ to get yourself back into debt at a slightly lower interest rate, that’s like agreeing to drink slightly diluted poison.
 
Don't know if anyone mentioned it yet but a discussion about credit card debt is apropos on a Wrangler forum. 🙃

On topic: always pay off debt. Never carry it. Exceptions to the rule would be mortgage or a business.

I use my best rewards card for everything I can pay w credit. End of the cycle I pay it 0.

Use them. Don't let them use you.
 
I use credit cards for convenience, and haven't incurred any interest charges in decades. That may change. Recently, more and more businesses, mostly restaurants, are charging an extra 3-4% for using a credit card. I'll probably start carrying more cash, and only use credit card to fill my car's gas tank or groceries.
 
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I use credit cards for convenience, and haven't incurred any interest charges in decades. That may change. Recently, more and more businesses, mostly restaurants, are charging an extra 3-4% for using a credit card. I'll probably start carrying more cash, and only use credit card to fill my car's gas tank or groceries.

I hate that but understand why they have to charge it. It does cost them $$ when you charge a meal....not 4% though