assuming since the front is lifted 4", that's the lift # I use when getting the adjustable track bar and lower control arms? Back appears to only be a 1" lift
Yes, front springs measure 16", rear springs measure 9" but therears also look pretty old and rusty, they've been on a long time.
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Also I'm curious about those rear adjustable lower control arms? Is that necessary for 1" rear lift? Are the front and rear control arms interchangeable? Could it be that the suspension lift kit came with the adjustable control arms and they put them on the rear instead of the front? I noticed that the two rear adjustable control arms aren't set to the same length, at least 1-1.5" difference
Adjustable lower controls arms aren't really needed for 3" suspension lifts and lower. The stock arms work just fine, although I had to remove the fronts to get the 3" springs. Now that I look at your profile pick, it does look a bit raked up in the front. I'm surprised you don't get people flashing their headlights at you at night
I would highly suggest evening out that suspension. What are your plans for the TJ?
Adjustable lower controls arms aren't really needed for 3" suspension lifts and lower. The stock arms work just fine, although I had to remove the fronts to get the 3" springs. Now that I look at your profile pick, it does look a bit raked up in the front. I'm surprised you don't get people flashing their headlights at you at night
Actually I have noticed the headlights aim a little high, guess I know why now! And the rubbing of the 33x12.5 rear tires on the aftermarket 7" fender flares (not pictured). So I guess I should raise the rear, should I go with the same lift on the rear as the front? I'm reading that leveling lift kits have about 1" less lift on the rear?
So now I'm needing an adjustable track bar for 4" lift, adjustable front lower control arms,, and 11" rear springs with shocks to level it out?
Plans as far as where I'm driving it? Mostly road but some off-road, but I want it off-road capable.
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From the photo of your driver's side track bar mount, it's stock and not dropped. That confirms you definitely need to replace your dropped Pitman arm with the factory Pitman arm which will cure the bump steer issue your TJ has.
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If you're not going to do serious off-roading I wouldn't suggest sticking with a 4" lift. You have 33's so my suggestion would be 3" suspension lift and 1" or 1.25" BL. With that setup, you won't need adjustable control arms. As Jerry suggested above, you should go back to a stock pitman arm. You need an adjustable front trackbar for sure. I use a trackbar relocation bracket on the rear with the stock trackbar with that setup and it's close to perfect.
- already has the stock Pitman arm back on it, posted that previously. It cured most of the bump steer but still handles a little iffy which is why we're on the track bar issue.
This is getting complicated, was hoping for an easier solution. So whoever lifted this Jeep before I bought it, did a crap job. Should I just start over and do as sjalkian says and get a new 3" kit to take it to a 3" lift all the way around, front and rear? Does that maintain level, or do front and rear lifts need to be different to maintain level? It has what appears to be 1" body bushings between frame and body now, does that mean it already has a 1" body lift? I'm guessing another couple inches lift in the rear would clear the rear fender flares & tires and stop the rubbing.
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Sorry about missing that you already have the stock pitman arm on there. As bobtheTJ03 stated above, those rear springs have to be replaced. I guess all things being equal, you could get some new 4" rear springs and a front adjustable trackbar. I would think you will run into rear trackbar issues if it's the stock trackbar without a relocation bracket. Just my $0.02
My suggestion would be to start fresh. Since it sounds like you already have a 1" BL, get some Procomp or BDS 3" springs, match with the appropriate Rancho RS5000X shocks, get an adjustable front TB, and a rear one too, or make sure it at least has a relocation bracket for the rear at the axle end. TJ's tend to ride higher in the rear from factory, and spring company's tend to do the same, so many times folks need to add a small spacer up front to level out the jeep. Heavier jeeps with lots of gear and heavy bumpers/tire carriers/winches will change how the jeeps stands, so it's kind of a gamble at what the end result will be. You could do some research and a little math to increase the success of your lift with less of a gamble, but it requires knowing what your sprung weight is, knowing spring specs, etc. Drop by a gravel yard or transfer station that has a scale and weigh your rig too. That way you can have a bit of an idea where to start.
I also occasionally tow a small 4x8 utility trailer with it.
I don't know about sagging rear springs. They aren't stock, they're 9". They just aren't tall enough to maintain clearance between the 33" tires and the aftermarket fender flares (which are not shown in my profile pic). The aftermarket 7" fender flares angle inward at the bottom and the tire is too big to fit up inside the opening. It rides with the flares a couple inches away from the tires but a hard bump and they occasionally touch the bottom corners, especially with someone in the back seat. Also, the spare is mounted, and it's also a 33x12.5 BFG mudder so it's pretty heavy.
I don't know about sagging rear springs. They aren't stock, they're 9". They just aren't tall enough to maintain clearance between the 33" tires and the aftermarket fender flares (which are not shown in my profile pic). The aftermarket 7" fender flares angle inward at the bottom and the tire is too big to fit up inside the opening. It rides with the flares a couple inches away from the tires but a hard bump and they occasionally touch the bottom corners, especially with someone in the back seat. Also, the spare is mounted, and it's also a 33x12.5 BFG mudder so it's pretty heavy.
Local Rough Country dealer/installer is going to put this 3.25" suspension lift kit in it:
https://www.roughcountry.com/jeep-suspension-lift-kit-641c.html
https://www.roughcountry.com/jeep-suspension-lift-kit-641c.html
You are still going to need an adjustable front trackbar. The kit seems to have everything else. RC is not the lift of choice, but it is economical. The biggest downfall are going to be the shocks based on what I’ve heard. Rancho 5000X shocks offer a great ride at a great price.
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Shoot I didn't look close enough, you're right, no track bar OR control arms, going hunting again.
Typical scenario - you have a Jeep that has been lifted with and wrenched on with knowledge that is obsolete or just plain wrong .
A lot of the lifts done in the late 90's and early 2000's were done before the knowledge to lift coil spring Jeeps was where it is today.
Today , a lifted TJ can ride, drive and handle fantastic .
There is typically not one single issue , the entire package needs to be right and has to work together .
You don't have to sell your firstborn child , but you have to get someone who knows how to lift a Jeep TJ and make it all work together .
The correct pitman arm , good springs, , a solid lift job , good control arm bushings , adjustable track bar , Rancho shocks , balanced tires and a good alignment job are a good start .
My Jeep was God awful, beyond bad - now it is smooth and tight . 4" lift and 33" tires. Cost a little money , but man I don't think about a dime of it when I'm going down the road at 65 smiling .
A lot of the lifts done in the late 90's and early 2000's were done before the knowledge to lift coil spring Jeeps was where it is today.
Today , a lifted TJ can ride, drive and handle fantastic .
There is typically not one single issue , the entire package needs to be right and has to work together .
You don't have to sell your firstborn child , but you have to get someone who knows how to lift a Jeep TJ and make it all work together .
The correct pitman arm , good springs, , a solid lift job , good control arm bushings , adjustable track bar , Rancho shocks , balanced tires and a good alignment job are a good start .
My Jeep was God awful, beyond bad - now it is smooth and tight . 4" lift and 33" tires. Cost a little money , but man I don't think about a dime of it when I'm going down the road at 65 smiling .
I almost hit "ignore".
This will get you everything except adjustable arms.
https://www.quadratec.com/products/...MIo5XsytGx3wIVgx6tBh0ssQdFEAQYBSABEgK5S_D_BwE
This will get you everything except an adjustable track bar and shocks.
https://www.4wd.com/p/rancho-2-5-in...MI5YvnidGx3wIV0yCtBh3ytQ7lEAYYBCABEgJvfvD_BwE
Or, you can do some research, listen to what folks here are trying to suggest, and piece together what you need and save some coin.
This will get you everything except adjustable arms.
https://www.quadratec.com/products/...MIo5XsytGx3wIVgx6tBh0ssQdFEAQYBSABEgK5S_D_BwE
This will get you everything except an adjustable track bar and shocks.
https://www.4wd.com/p/rancho-2-5-in...MI5YvnidGx3wIV0yCtBh3ytQ7lEAYYBCABEgJvfvD_BwE
Or, you can do some research, listen to what folks here are trying to suggest, and piece together what you need and save some coin.
Rough Country is not regarded very highly amongst people more knowledgeable than me. You could probably beat that price with better quality parts with a little shopping.
Hi Guys,
I have been reading along with this thread, I need a little clarification. I am limited in my 2005 LJ Jeeps lift by a low overhead garage door. So about 2 to 3 1/2 inches is all I can do at this time. Which I am OK with.
So, I will not notice a difference in my street ride or off road capability If I go with something like the kit below. It saves about 1000,00 to delete the adjustable control arms. Can I delete upper and lower like the kit below.
https://www.krawloff-road.com/product_p/rk-lj20sm.htm?CartID=1
This next kit is the next upgrade.
https://www.krawloff-road.com/product_p/rk-lj20fs.htm?CartID=2
DO I need this level.
The top level is this.
https://www.krawloff-road.com/product_p/rk-lj20xf.htm?CartID=3
I am also interested in what you think of this brand?
Thanks
I have been reading along with this thread, I need a little clarification. I am limited in my 2005 LJ Jeeps lift by a low overhead garage door. So about 2 to 3 1/2 inches is all I can do at this time. Which I am OK with.
So, I will not notice a difference in my street ride or off road capability If I go with something like the kit below. It saves about 1000,00 to delete the adjustable control arms. Can I delete upper and lower like the kit below.
https://www.krawloff-road.com/product_p/rk-lj20sm.htm?CartID=1
Adjustable lower controls arms aren't really needed for 3" suspension lifts and lower. The stock arms work just fine, although I had to remove the fronts to get the 3" springs. Now that I look at your profile pick, it does look a bit raked up in the front. I'm surprised you don't get people flashing their headlights at you at night
This next kit is the next upgrade.
https://www.krawloff-road.com/product_p/rk-lj20fs.htm?CartID=2
DO I need this level.
The top level is this.
https://www.krawloff-road.com/product_p/rk-lj20xf.htm?CartID=3
I am also interested in what you think of this brand?
Thanks
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