very good.....the intent wasn't to challenge anyone, it just contradicts some of what i've read about the material.
WRG winch lines, lets chat
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very good.....the intent wasn't to challenge anyone, it just contradicts some of what i've read about the material.
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My only issue with a soft eye is it can get sucked through the fairlead. Otherwise they appeal very highly to my simplistic way of doing things.
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For reference, a point about knots in soft shackles needs to be made. The knot that breaks at a higher rating has a big problem in that it has to be tied perfectly and locked in or it breaks far below where it should. The other knot we use is good for about 140% of the line strength and breaks right at the point every or most every time. It is dependable, easy to assume as a known quantity and is far less time consuming to tie. I'm good with a predictable 140% and less cost.
You have to remember that all the material data is for commercial use where overhead work may be involved and they have to have accurate specs to meet design factors. In a way we are splitting hairs once we remember that for the five decades or so before synthetic we were using 5/16 wire rope that has a first time breaking strength of 9800 lbs.
Myself as well.
Might you have a favorite brand for kinetic? I have Master Pull 7/8 x 30' and have looked at Gear America for the USA Made thing. TRE was always an option but didn't get on that bandwagon.
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I have that same MP I believe, it has been fine, I've used it many times. I have a couple of larger ones for heavier stuff. I don't know the sizes exactly but the bigger mistake folks make is using a too large one on something like getting a Jeep out of the mud.
There is also some confusion as to what you can do with one. I've used my 1 ton dually to get a propane truck unstuck that was buried to the axle with the rear duals.
We had a pretty wet winter a few years back and my neighbor across the road kept getting his Suburban stuck out behind his house. I get him out a few times with my stock TJ Unlimited.
At the end of the day, I don't know that brand really makes any difference. It is just nylon double braid rope with eyes spliced in with some sort of abrasion guard in the eyes.
The US made thing is kinda funny in a sad sort of way. I was going to put US made on the fairleads because they are mostly. We make them and the Safety Thimble right here in SoCal. Then I asked the machinist where the aluminum was from, sorry, not all of it was Alcoa. What prompted me to head down that road was the bags of fasteners. Made in USA, Made in USA, Made in USA, Made in Taiwan. Darn it, almost made it and I don't have enough of them to try and swap them for US versions. Fuckit, folks will just have to understand I do my best and be good with that.
I bought my 7/8" MP using this graph:
https://www.masterpull.com/kinetic-recovery-ropes/
LJ & XJ and all the newer 4 door stuff out there as well tip near 5k by the time they're loaded. Doesn't take lot of resistance from mud, snow or sand to magnify that load. And there are tons of diesel pickups around here that I would want to try with a smaller rope.
Actually, my last kinetic pull was with the XJ in the snow. Pal's JL broke thru the crust, high centered & my TJ buddy couldn't wait on me to backtrack 1/2 mile with the kinetic and latched onto the JL with a static 'tow-strap' and with no momentum to be had, commenced to dig through the crust and buried his pumpkins as well. The tow strap was too tight to disconnect so I latched onto the front of the TJ and with two kinetic hits had them both out in a daisy chain. To my knowledge, neither of them have purchased a kinetic rope to this day.
A couple pairs of traction boards would likely have done the same job
Yup, and I'm not beyond latching onto a big pickup or such with my Dmax with the 7/8" near it's limit.
KInda my thought but always open to another's experience.
I'm old enough to remember when Made in Japan would make us all cringe (my Dad was first wave, April '42 for the duration, combat infantry in New Guinea) Now, for me, it's a relief to see Made in Taiwan or S. Korea - at least they're allies of a sort...
I appreciate the effort. We consumers have to make an effort on our end as well but If "Made in..not USA" was the ultimate deal breaker we'd be living in fucking caves.
I’ve also found kinetic ropes to be much smoother when towing someone off the trail. No jarring as compared to a regular strap.
Made in the USA has always been odd when considering that every product begins with materials being extracted from the ground or conjured in a lab somewhere and then those materials go through other processes in various places and all those somewheres and places usually arent all in the USA.
I got to experience the 30 foot static strap when my fan died. All the way from one end of the park to the other. My buddy was messing with me too. Pulling my through stuff just to make it more fun for him and rough on me. BMB 17" brake kit stalled him out a couple times. He started being nicer.
I would get a kinetic, but I just don't think I would find the use to justify carrying it. We don't like mud, don't have sand, and don't see much snow. I use the static strap for towing, and winch extension.
Of course then we made more things (cotton shirts that were 100% material and labor USA origin for example) but that wasn't the point. The point was about the definition of USA made.
Even Alcoa aluminum wasn't always 100% USA made since the bauxite was mined elsewhere.
ok, so I searched and found enough to see why abrasion sleeves are bad...now can someone educate me on how you protect a synthetic line from abrasion if the line from your fairlead to your winch point has to go over something scratchy?
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There are several good strap around chafe guards for climbing and rescue ropes that would and do work well. As I stated, we've used a folded up sweatshirt many times over a sharp rock in JV with zero ill effect to either, garment or winch line.
It just needs to be thick enough that the high point load of the line moving can't wear through the guard.
Blaine was too quick, I was searching for this for you
https://wranglertjforum.com/threads/wrg-winch-lines-lets-chat.64865/post-1184623
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A most valid point that everyone should consider. The impact buffering when used for towing someone is something of value for me.
I wish we had had one years back when my Dad was trying to pull a '77 Rabbit through a sand pit with our '63 GMC. The front bumper on the Rabbit was never the same after that.
What about "Matt's Recovery Rope"? Overpriced hype? Not? *shrug*