Finding the tipping point?

TheBoogieman said:
If all else fails, you could always let @Andy-WhiteTJ drive it while you take the video. Yell STOP right before it rolls. 😬

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I've run that trail dozens of times before that roll and never had any issues. It was a time when I almost made over the obstacle and had to back down and re-try. I didn't realize I moved over about a foot from my original position and drove over a depression on the driver's side of the rock that allowed the right side to lift higher and roll. We righted it and wheeled the rest of the day. Moral of the story; recheck your line before retrying the obstacle.
 
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Andy-WhiteTJ said:
I've run that trail dozens of times before that roll and never had any issues. It was a time when I almost made over the obstacle and had to back down and re-try. I didn't realize I moved over about a foot from my original position and drove over a depression on the driver's side of the rock that allowed the right side to lift higher and roll. We righted it and wheeled the rest of the day. Moral of the story; recheck your line before retrying the obstacle.
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You ARE the man to test his Jeep. (y) (y)
 
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I pushed mine farther this weekend than I have before. I didn't like it, my passenger didn't like it even more than me. But we made it and laughed about it later. It was on relatively flat ground but with a shelf/ledge right in the middle of the trail and there were trees too close on either side to keep both sides of the rig on the same level. Went as far as I could on the high side but once I realized I wasn't gonna make it around I had to let the passenger side go down...real slow, and the cut hard passenger to get the passenger tire climbing back up the other side before the rear passenger dropped off the ledge. I wasn't as leaned over as Jerry was in his photos but it felt about like that in the moment.
 
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freedom_in_4low said:
I pushed mine farther this weekend than I have before. I didn't like it, my passenger didn't like it even more than me. But we made it and laughed about it later. It was on relatively flat ground but with a shelf/ledge right in the middle of the trail and there were trees too close on either side to keep both sides of the rig on the same level. Went as far as I could on the high side but once I realized I wasn't gonna make it around I had to let the passenger side go down...real slow, and the cut hard passenger to get the passenger tire climbing back up the other side before the rear passenger dropped off the ledge.
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That's what offroading is all about!! :love:
 
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Jerry Bransford said:
The tipping point varies depending on too many factors to say it will tip at x degrees. Speed, tire pressure, traction, tire traction, center-of-gravity point, track-width, wheel width, if you're also turning and which direction are you turning, etc.
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all that, plus dynamics. You can take more angle dropping down real slowly than if you drop it fast and have momentum to carry you past the tipping point. Then your sway bar, or lack thereof comes into play.

More than anything it might be handy to have the roll axis clinometer to show you that what feels scary as hell is really only 15-20° and you have plenty to go. But not something to trust trying to push it to the limit.
 
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freedom_in_4low said:
all that, plus dynamics. You can take more angle dropping down real slowly than if you drop it fast and have momentum to carry you past the tipping point. Then your sway bar, or lack thereof comes into play.

More than anything it might be handy to have the roll axis clinometer to show you that what feels scary as hell is really only 15-20° and you have plenty to go. But not something to trust trying to push it to the limit.
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I guess it comes down to experience. I Need to go wheeling more. I'm slowly getting more used to the feeling
 
TJosh02 said:
Out of curiosity, what trail was this? I'm also in Toronto.
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Heh...so I had it at my buddies garage on the lift to replace the axle seals because they were leaking.

Anyways he wanted me to do the trails by his house, which is basically a mountain bike path/old old access trail to power lines by the 407 that I guess people on quads use. He was sure they were legal little trails. Did some research after. They weren't. Not my brightest moment. Whoops

Have you gone to bobcaygeon? If so, what are your thoughts
 
TJuser said:
I guess it comes down to experience. I Need to go wheeling more. I'm slowly getting more used to the feeling
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This 100%!

It always feels worse than it is, well until it’s not!

I’m pretty experienced, been jeeping for almost 30 years now.

Was at Windrock, I was the trail leader for my group, I made my way thru an obstacle, I felt it was pretty tame so I kept moving rather than give the guy following me a spot.

Then my radio came alive with “ I need a spot!!!! I think I’m about to flip!!!”

So I ran back to him and at first glance I thought he had already moved as he wasn’t even close to flipping. He had not moved, but was convinced he was on the verge of flipping on his side. I talked him thru it and he made it out. He was still convinced he was so close to flipping.

I had my GoPro on me and filmed it, later that evening I played the video for him, he then saw how he wasn’t even closed to flipping. He was slightly bummed at how mild it actually looked.

So experience and seat time will give you a better understanding of the limits, it always feels worse than it is. Let your experience be the guide. Don’t push too hard until you have a good understanding of your own experience and your rig’s capabilities
 
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TJuser said:
Have you gone to bobcaygeon? If so, what are your thoughts
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Yeah all the legal trails are up north of Bobcaygeon all the way to Dorset basically. I've done most all of them in the 5 points and Hindon Forest. I sometimes lead for my club, COORJC, as well.

Come out with us sometime. We organize a half-dozen "rookie runs" a year, to acclimate folks to wheeling in our area. They usually run the Gooderham trail or Pencil Lake. Both are fairly tame but with one or two optional obstacles to make it exciting. From there there are many more exciting trails.

Sorry for the off topic chatter.

Wheeling with experienced folks spotting you on hard obstacles is also a good way to gain confidence while you are learning.
 
TJosh02 said:
Yeah all the legal trails are up north of Bobcaygeon all the way to Dorset basically. I've done most all of them in the 5 points and Hindon Forest. I sometimes lead for my club, COORJC, as well.

Come out with us sometime. We organize a half-dozen "rookie runs" a year, to acclimate folks to wheeling in our area. They usually run the Gooderham trail or Pencil Lake. Both are fairly tame but with one or two optional obstacles to make it exciting. From there there are many more exciting trails.

Sorry for the off topic chatter.

Wheeling with experienced folks spotting you on hard obstacles is also a good way to gain confidence while you are learning.
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I've been contemplating joining a run. I used to go out with the uncles when they had their jeeps, zukis and blazers. Maybe this year I'll have to join you guys
 
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Jerry Bransford said:
Funny trail name, I used to work for Ma Bell about a hundred years ago right after getting out of the military lol.
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Pic of Jerry before he joined Ma Bell

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