Leather? Its slippery. Its cold, its hot, it doesn't wear particularly well. A good quality vinyl at least wears better, but I prefer cloth.
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Leather? Its slippery. Its cold, its hot, it doesn't wear particularly well. A good quality vinyl at least wears better, but I prefer cloth.
Cold in the winter , excessive ball sweat in the summer . Plus leather doesn't wear well at all , look at any 10 year old car that's used daily , without a doubt the drivers seat is cracked , dryed out , and looks like crap . The other little used seat positions are fine. It's high price vinyl in my book . Good quality cloth seats for the win in my book .
Yeah but cloth seats give you a wedgie over time
speeding_infraction
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I can see where you're coming from, I just hate cleaning cloth seats if anything spills or they get mud/water on them. I'm working towards getting a vinyl floor and leather seats for my truck, but could you recommend a good pair of cloth seats?
You can get decent cloth seat covers , or the OEM seats . Plus Scotchguard works well at keeping them from getting trashed . My dunebuggy survived for years outside and top less.
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Wow, that's impressively clean. I'll have to look into it.
For a shift boot, I'll take leather. For seats and steering wheel, nothing beats Alcantara. Great hand, prevents you from sliding around, no temperature extremes, super easy to clean and if gets a little matted, hit it lightly with a Mr Clean Magic Eraser and it looks brand new again.
Can't argue with the temp thing, though most vehicles with leather in the last 20 years likely have air con and seat heaters. Some of the latest ones probably have seat cooling as well.
The hell it does, but you do have to care for the leather a bit. Not difficult. Same goes for a leather chair in your house. Vinyl is shit. The term "PU Leather" should be outlawed.
I think this has as much if not more to do with seat design. As does material wear. A properly designed seat using leather (or any material, for that matter) should keep you where you need to be.
Generally speaking, yes. Especially in the LJ.
FYI, the leather seats in the MINI I referred to previously are replacements for the original cloth seats that wore through.
I'd agree with the steering wheel, can't say I have any experience with it on a seat. There's a reason why it's used on racing wheels.
speeding_infraction
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Can't argue with the temp thing, though most vehicles with leather in the last 20 years likely have air con and seat heaters. Some of the latest ones probably have seat cooling as well.
The hell it does, but you do have to care for the leather a bit. Not difficult. Same goes for a leather chair in your house. Vinyl is shit. The term "PU Leather" should be outlawed.
I think this has as much if not more to do with seat design. As does material wear. A properly designed seat using leather (or any material, for that matter) should keep you where you need to be.
Generally speaking, yes. Especially in the LJ.
FYI, the leather seats in the MINI I referred to previously are replacements for the original cloth seats that wore through.
I'd agree with the steering wheel, can't say I have any experience with it on a seat. There's a reason why it's used on racing wheels.
This is what I wanted to say, just didn't feel like typing it out on my PHOOOOOONNE
This is what I wanted to say, just didn't feel like typing it out on my PHOOOOOONNE
Someoooooone would be so proud of you . Seat heaters work but the cooling not so much . I still prefer quality cloth .
I plan to buy cloth to protect cloth for the Jeep, just having a hard time figure out how many months lead Bartact is at the moment.
Ever own a vehicle with "MB-Tex"? Outlasts leather 5-1 easy.
Yea, you can compensate for bullshit with more bullshit technology. Just like high beltlines and piss poor rearward visibility is now compensated for with backup cameras. Sorry, not buying - that's smartphone-think.
No, but I've worked on and driven plenty. My first body shop job was at a Mercedes dealer. That said, I'm pretty sure there's a German engineer somewhere who'd like to cap your ass for what you said. Are you seriously comparing MB-Tex to vinyl? Even "good quality vinyl"? You are truly mad.
No idea what this is in reference to. Air condition and seat heaters? Hate to mention that many here have those two items in their TJ's.
WTF are you on about? Focus FFS. Seats, we're talking about seats.
I think everything that isn't Zorba-think is smartphone-think in your world.
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speeding_infraction
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And thus the argument begins. I'm here for it
Obviously, we're not going to agree - and that's OK.I think everything that isn't Zorba-think is smartphone-think in your world.
As for smartphones - having just returned from a country that they haven't completely wrecked as YET, my hatred for them has done nothing but gotten greater.
YET , is the key word Zorba . The smartphone is used everywhere and will only expand it's use.
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But apparently the water is shitty there and you both got sick. Worth it?
That is EXACTLY my point. Those fucking things destroy and ruin everything they touch, not the least of which is critical thinking skills. Its very obvious when you're exposed to a culture where they haven't had the chance YET to do as much damage as they have here in the US. The societal and monetary costs of the smartphone and the worldwide obsession with them and catering to them is beyond massive.
I long for the days when I naively just thought of them as only an overpriced toy.
I even long for the days when I was only annoyed with the expectation that I participate in this nonsense.
But now I find myself increasingly in agreement with certain fundamentalist Christians that these things are also a spiritual peril and a "tool of Satan." I *REALLY* dislike agreeing with fundamentalist Christians about much of anything; yet here we are...
Oh, absolutely. Even though we didn't drink the water!