Better Search Engine?

Zorba

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If you haven't encountered Kagi search, you may want to check it out:

https://kagi.com/

I had it recommended to me by a guy that is so paranoid that he runs his own personal search engine himself - so he doesn't use Kagi, but he's heard good things from "people I trust" as he told me.

It isn't free. In fact, its relatively expensive. Being paid, you are the customer, not the product. No ads, no tracking, no "personalized results" from tracking or data harvesting. I'm currently evaluating it with a 100 search free "try it out" signup. As much as I hate subscriptions, I may very well go to the $5/mo for 300 searches next, and eventually migrate to the $10/mo unlimited or even the $15/mo "Kagi for couples" so my wife can use it too. I'll see - like I said, I'm evaluating it...

Thus far, the search results I've gotten are at least as good as Google's, and are a LOT better/easier to deal with as nobody's trying to sell you something. Better organized too, with minimal repeats and its not afraid to tell you when its out of results instead of feeding increasingly garbage results to you.

However, two features stand out:

1) They have a "verbatim" button. It acts like Google is supposed to act - but doesn't - when you surround each individual word with quotes. This forces the search to return what's called a Boolean AND search. Only results with ALL your words in them will get returned - which is as it fucking should be. Its very powerful, but its also very specific, it (apparently thus far) won't return hits on word variations, it won't apply heuristics to your search and try to guess what you may or may not really want/need. Its not suitable for all searches, but its a blessing when you need it. I do a lot of VERY specific searches and its a gift from the Goddess as far as I'm concerned - thus far at least.

2) In addition to being able to block things with a minus sign, you can also permanently block garbage domains - I promptly populated that with facesuck, instatwat, TWITter/X, etc.

There are other unique features that I have yet to try, but its looking good so far...
 
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2) In addition to being able to block things with a minus sign, you can also permanently block garbage domains - I promptly populated that with facesuck, instatwat, TWITter/X, etc.

I'm somewhat surprised that you didn't block ewetube , they hate my anti track software so much they call me a bot and won't let me play . Bummer , but I don't like to be spied on .
 
I'm somewhat surprised that you didn't block ewetube , they hate my anti track software so much they call me a bot and won't let me play . Bummer , but I don't like to be spied on .
Yea, I hear you. I've been using Ewetube (love the name!) for decades - people now call it "social media", but to me its just a video hosting site. Hosts my videos so I don't have to, blah, blah. But I'm gradually disconnecting myself from Google - I mainly only ever used their search, although I do have a gmail account that I use only in emergencies. After going through the "Nth degree" with Google while I was in Egypt, I'm wanting to dump them too. Probably will keep YooToob, but just run it sandboxed so it can't track me. I dunno, its evolving...
 
Duck Duck Go does much, if not all, of that for free.

Duck duck go sucks. BIG time. It has been my go to for several years, but I always end up going to Google as the duck oftentimes can't find what I'm looking for. No readily available boolean mode either that I've fouind. YMMV and all that.
 
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I've also found duck duck go a bit lacking in performance.

Everybody that cares about the stuff that zorba cares about is going to hate this, but I've almost entirely replaced my search engine usage with chatgpt. I don't love the privacy aspect of it but damnit, I can get so much more information in so much less time vs search engines.
 
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I've also found duck duck go a bit lacking in performance.

Everybody that cares about the stuff that zorba cares about is going to hate this, but I've almost entirely replaced my search engine usage with chatgpt. I don't love the privacy aspect of it but damnit, I can get so much more information in so much less time vs search engines.

Check out https://ollama.com/ we use it at work since it allows you to download the LLM and run all the processing locally. It won’t have “what time is the game tomorrow” but if you want “Chat GPT” features kept off the net , this is a great option.
 
We have an extremely high dollar, very advanced, AI available to us at work and frankly I've only found it useful for writing reports and recommendations. For search it's almost as bad as consumer options which are definitively garage. Regular old search engines with thoughtful, intellectual, search hygiene and the use of boolean teems is still better. Maybe if I was doing proteomics research I would have a different opinion.
 
and the use of boolean teems is still better.
I think you meant "terms"? In any event, I COMPLETELY agree. Too bad its a pain in the ass to get a search engine to actually use boolean terms - ol' George is spinning in his grave. Esp. when I want to actually buy something, fucking Amazon, and to a slightly lesser extent eBay, show me EVERYTHING but what I'm actually looking for! Putting in all the bullshit quotes and plus signs - that I shouldn't have to use in the first place - improves things slightly. Sometimes.

Kagi seems to be much better in this regard - at least thus far.
 
I think you meant "terms"? In any event, I COMPLETELY agree. Too bad its a pain in the ass to get a search engine to actually use boolean terms - ol' George is spinning in his grave. Esp. when I want to actually buy something, fucking Amazon,
Yes, terms of course. And Amazon can get fucked for displaying literally every sponsored piece of Chinese garbage before even touching on, and usually fucking up, what I'm looking for. Use a search engine instead by typing "specific item" site:amazon.com. Just a PSA, that is the best way to search for something here too.
 
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Check out https://ollama.com/ we use it at work since it allows you to download the LLM and run all the processing locally. It won’t have “what time is the game tomorrow” but if you want “Chat GPT” features kept off the net , this is a great option.

We have enterprise accounts with GPT and Claude so I'm required to use those for work stuff. Supposedly sandboxed so our prompts and sources aren't leaking out to other users, but how do you know for sure???

I'll give your suggestion a try, though I'm not exactly sure how that works locally.
We have an extremely high dollar, very advanced, AI available to us at work and frankly I've only found it useful for writing reports and recommendations. For search it's almost as bad as consumer options which are definitively garage. Regular old search engines with thoughtful, intellectual, search hygiene and the use of boolean teems is still better. Maybe if I was doing proteomics research I would have a different opinion.

To be clear I'm not going in with a one liner prompt like I would a search engine. It works a lot better when I give it a solid paragraph with plenty of framing and context.
 
Yes, terms of course. And Amazon can get fucked for displaying literally every sponsored piece of Chinese garbage before even touching on, and usually fucking up, what I'm looking for. Use a search engine instead by typing "specific item" site:amazon.com. Just a PSA, that is the best way to search for something here too.
Yep, yep, and yep. I actually have found that I don't even have to type the 'site:amazon.com' most of the time, just type something like 'belly dance veil amazon' will usually get me what I want without Amazon's crap results.
 
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I recently came across Startpage, "The world's most private search engine." I've barely used it, so I don't know if it's any good yet.

On a semi-related note, I also switched from Firefox to LibreWolf recently. It's Firefox with all of the AI, tracking, ad support chunks stripped out. So far I'm VERY impressed. It takes of bit of configuring to turn things you need back on, since lots of stuff defaults to off. I was able to toss my PiHole, since LibreWolf does an even better job of cleaning up the browsing experience.