I just hate when some rich people just abuse the system

Well, the system has always been designed in favor of rich people. The richer you are, the easier it is to be rich. The poorer you are, the harder it is to be anything else. If you really look under the carpet of capitalism (or really any system for that matter), you'll always find crap like this, but those roaches often scurry away before the light gets turned on.
 
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Blanket statement, but it is a little bit entertaining that, in order to play the system, the middle/upper class will willfully breakdown our traditional concept of family. And then point the finger at the loose values of the underclasses.
 
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A college degree these days is worthless unless it's either a specialized degree (i.e. biochemistry or something), a masters, or PhD.

Going to school and majoring in something like communications or english is an absolute waste of money and will yield nothing more than an entry level job.

In my opinion you'd be better off going to trade school and learning a trade, as that's where the money is at. My brother in-law is a union plumber (as well as my brother) and have nothing but good things to say about it in terms of the pay, the benefits, etc.

Most people fail to realize that colleges are a business just like any other business. They aren't in the business of losing money, they are out to make money.
 
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Chris said:
A college degree these days is worthless unless it's either a specialized degree (i.e. biochemistry or something), a masters, or PhD.

Going to school and majoring in something like communications or english is an absolute waste of money and will yield nothing more than an entry level job.

In my opinion you'd be better off going to trade school and learning a trade, as that's where the money is at. My brother in-law is a union plumber (as well as my brother) and have nothing but good things to say about it in terms of the pay, the benefits, etc.

Most people fail to realize that colleges are a business just like any other business. They aren't in the business of losing money, they are out to make money.
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Yes and no. I have a major in Communication and while it didn't directly contribute a ton to my career path (not that it helped graduating in 2009), but it did allow me to navigate to higher portions of companies that I likely would have attained without it. The stuff I did learn from the major also did a lot to improve my perspective and critical thinking to a lot of areas in life. Most of my career has advanced from stuff I learned on the job, which began in a role that didn't require a college degree, but I have a pretty comfortable living now.

That said, it definitely won't help your career nearly as well as other more specialized areas like you mentioned. There's also much better directions to go in terms of cost for education vs income potential post-graduation. Hell, I know a local tech school that constantly has students poached from their Fluid Power Engineering program after the first year (it's a 2 year program) and they go straight into earning over $60k.
 
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Equilibrium31 said:
Yes and no. I have a major in Communication and while it didn't directly contribute a ton to my career path (not that it helped graduating in 2009), but it did allow me to navigate to higher portions of companies that I likely would have attained without it. The stuff I did learn from the major also did a lot to improve my perspective and critical thinking to a lot of areas in life. Most of my career has advanced from stuff I learned on the job, which began in a role that didn't require a college degree, but I have a pretty comfortable living now.

That said, it definitely won't help your career nearly as well as other more specialized areas like you mentioned. There's also much better directions to go in terms of cost for education vs income potential post-graduation. Hell, I know a local tech school that constantly has students poached from their Fluid Power Engineering program after the first year (it's a 2 year program) and they go straight into earning over $60k.
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I just know a lot of people who graduated with me at OSU who majored in a lot of different things. Right out of college one of them went on to be a bank teller, the other went on to be an office assistance, etc. Of course these were right out of college jobs and I have no idea where they are now.

My point that I generally make to people is that if you're going to go to college, major in something very specialized, otherwise go to a trade school. I know a lot of people in a lot of different trades, and they are always in demand and never, ever short on work. They get paid well, great benefits, and they are members of unions.

I majored in computer science at OSU.
 
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I could go to Ireland and study abroad cheaper than what OSU wanted for non resident tuition, by over $5k per year...so I did in 1997. Best year of my life!
 
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Room, board and tuition at a top university or ivy league college is $60,000 and up per year. The families the article describes as "rich" aren't wealthy at all, they are solidly middle class and cannot afford to send their children to college as their parents sent them.

Who here could write a check for $240,000 and not decimate their retirement?
 
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Room, board and tuition at a top university or ivy league college is $60,000 and up per year. The families the article describes as "rich" aren't wealthy at all, they are solidly middle class and cannot afford to send their children to college as their parents sent them.

Who here could write a check for $240,000 and not decimate their retirement?
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someone with a 501c3..
and there is nothing that says a kid has to go to college, go serve your country for 4 years, get the GI bill and then go. It can really improve the college experience and give a person life skills that no university can or will give them.

Oh and I did both the montgomery GI bill and the post 9/11 to pay for some of my college. I also utilized my previous employers benefits to help pay for some more college, working full time and taking 32 credit hours a year...at an 800 level. Work/life/school was put on hold for 8 years after completing my undergrad... I also have a trade and didnt need to got to a university, I wanted to.
 
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At least when poor people cheat the system they are only trying to get ahead. These wealthy, popular couples are cheating the system for their own egos. Bragging rights at the club. No different than how they run their lives, so weak they seek, need adulation from others.
 
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Sometimes your head is completely up your ass. This is one of those times.

I know more than a few parents who live through their children's accomplishments. Wealth or high income is not a common denominator among them. Making character assumptions based upon someone's income or wealth says more about the person making the assumption.
 
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At least when poor people cheat the system they are only trying to get ahead. These wealthy, popular couples are cheating the system for their own egos. Bragging rights at the club. No different than how they run their lives, so weak they seek, need adulation from others.
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As a former poor person, anyone cheating the system, regardless of economic status, pisses me the fuck off.
 
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KMET said:
As a former poor person, anyone cheating the system, regardless of economic status, pisses me the fuck off.
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Typically poor people are elegible, but if you read the article, you would have found that there was no funds left because the rich parents ( ones who had the money) didnt want to pay for thier kids college so they move them to poor family and then they became eligible even though the kids were living at home with mommy and daddy!

I grew up poor enough that we didnt have beef, we lived off of deer meat that was poached
 
True, you cannot be convicted if you are not caught, but it is a fallacy to think that there is a principled difference between stealing food and stealing college tuition. Both are larceny.

Justifying the theft of food is a rationalization, not a defense. Rich or poor, need is irrelevant to the elements of the crime.
 
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I grew up poor enough that we didn't have beef, we lived off of deer meat that was poached.
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We raised beef and ate venison exclusively . . . it just tastes better.
Some folks have high IQ's, lots of 'letters' behind their names, years and years of education, and still have their shoes on the wrong foot.
Book smarts and street smarts . . . . apples and oranges.
 
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We raised beef and ate venison exclusively . . . it just tastes better.
Some folks have high IQ's, lots of 'letters' behind their names, years and years of education, and still have their shoes on the wrong foot.
Book smarts and street smarts . . . . apples and oranges.
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That's no shit. Truer words have never been spoken. Yet my contractor self employed ass never gets credit for having my own shoes on the CORRECT feet. fuck'em.
 
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