How durable are the factory TJ Rubicon lockers?

The LSD is what caused my rear to fail--not the locker. Gear-driven LSD and the gears failed. Could easily be because of hard use but I wheeled a lot in 2WD in the Utah desert/plains.

I wouldn't want another LSD/locker combo.

From what I've gathered, the problem with the rear LSD is depending too much on it being a LSD. That being said, I broke the locker on mine likely after a crash lock. Then I wheeled two seasons with just the LSD and the front locker. Ultimately, I replaced it with another factory rear.
 
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From what I've gathered, the problem with the rear LSD is depending too much on it being a LSD.
Exactly. It's either locked or limited slip and never just open. Had I thought about it I might have realized that I should have been locking more to prevent the overstressing of those spider gears. Instead I thought I was saving wear and tear on the lockers and tires. Most limited slip diffs have a friction mechanism so they wear out rather harmlessly. When my gear driven LSD failed my diff locked. I searched but could not find replacement spider gears so I swapped both front and rear with ARBs and the twin pump. Not how I expected to get on board air but it works.
 
From what I've gathered, the problem with the rear LSD is depending too much on it being a LSD. That being said, I broke the locker on mine likely after a crash lock. Then I wheeled two seasons with just the LSD and the front locker. Ultimately, I replaced it with another factory rear.
Hard to crash lock it if you never unlock it. ;)
 
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Hard to crash lock it if you never unlock it. ;)

I've gotten better about that. :) With the replacement installed, I'm fairly certain the original rear was damaged when I bought it. There were times when it was really stubborn to lock, but this one is quick and predictable like the the front is.
 
My rear factory rubicon locker just failed after 15 years, not sure how the first owner treated her, but the last few years have been some hard rock climbing and I did constantly lock and unlock when on the trail, so in my opinion it is reliable. Not sure what actually failed, all I know is that the housing was full of metal pieces. I drove it home from the trail after failure and lucky for me no damage to the R&P or axles, but metal did get into the carrier bearings and tore them up pretty good. I replaced with Eaton ELocker, 19977-010 (which is for 3.73 and under, but the Rubicon uses thicker 4.10 ring gear so you want the 3.73 and under carrier), and it was a pretty simple install. Ran the wires through the factory air hole (using plenty of RTV) and then I pipe plugged the factory switch hole (think it was a 1/4" NPT, I had it laying around). Still have to run the wiring and install the switch and then hopefully will have her back on the trail the following weekend. Heading to Hawk Pride in AL and then up to SMORR in MO in March.

I did consider installing a front factory rubicon locker in the rear, but the cheapest used front I could find local was $750 and non-local was $500, and I was able to find the Eaton at a really good deal, so figured new would be better. Also, I plan on keeping the rear pump and all the factory rear air hose installed so I have them as a spare for the front if needed in the future.
 
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In Moab several years ago, I think 2011, a buddy broke his rear Rubi locker out at BFE. When we went to Moab Outpost to buy a Detroit, they had sold 9 rear Dana 44 lockers due to Rubi rear lockers breaking. And it was Tuesday. LOL.


I'd be interested in knowing how easy/hard/long it is to replace a freakin locker on the trail? Also, if you go to a Detroit, how do you bypass the air?
 
I have seen a whole lot of posts not relevant to the the initial question.. But as someone that is about to swap out my Dana 30 and Dana 35 with a pair of Dana 44's out of a Rubi with all the factory hardware, am I to understand that I can go up to 35s (on only 32s now) and I'd be pretty safe as long as I don't drive like an idiot?
 
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From what I've gathered, the problem with the rear LSD is depending too much on it being a LSD. That being said, I broke the locker on mine likely after a crash lock. Then I wheeled two seasons with just the LSD and the front locker. Ultimately, I replaced it with another factory rear.

Since this got bumped, I'll update my situation. The replacement rear Rubicon locker (with an unknown history) failed about 2 months ago after 6-7 months of use. The LSD stripped out. This one got replaced with an ARB. And it will be a matter of time and money before the front will also be replaced with a ARB.
 
Since this got bumped, I'll update my situation. The replacement rear Rubicon locker (with an unknown history) failed about 2 months ago after 6-7 months of use. The LSD stripped out. This one got replaced with an ARB. And it will be a matter of time and money before the front will also be replaced with a ARB.

What axles are you using?
 
I have seen a whole lot of posts not relevant to the the initial question.. But as someone that is about to swap out my Dana 30 and Dana 35 with a pair of Dana 44's out of a Rubi with all the factory hardware, am I to understand that I can go up to 35s (on only 32s now) and I'd be pretty safe as long as I don't drive like an idiot?
Yes. The weakest part of the Dana 44 rear Rubi locker is the gear-driven limited slip action. My "locker" never failed but I did blow up the spider gears of the LSD. In retrospect, I wish I had used my locker liberally whenever I was off road. Instead, I only used it when I thought I needed it to get up an obstacle. The problem then is that I was abusing the gears on the LSD. When they blew up, they took out the locker and other parts.

I'm now OEM-locker free with two ARB's and a twin compressor.
 
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Yes. The weakest part of the Dana 44 rear Rubi locker is the gear-driven limited slip action. My "locker" never failed but I did blow up the spider gears of the LSD. In retrospect, I wish I had used my locker liberally whenever I was off road. Instead, I only used it when I thought I needed it to get up an obstacle. The problem then is that I was abusing the gears on the LSD. When they blew up, they took out the locker and other parts.

I'm now OEM-locker free with two ARB's and a twin compressor.

The funny thing about my two rear Rubicon lockers is that I wasn't particularly careful with the first one. It was the locker the broke. After the replacement went in, I was more careful of the LSD and that was what failed the second time.