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I never updated the thread with my ROS build...Been running it a little bit, kinda still in debug. The more I ride, the more little things I find. I had to work through some issues with my Dropper and air pressure. I also have a chainline issue with my 2.8" tire in the rear and my non-boost spaced chainring. The chainline is too close to the tire and it rubs, just slightly. Still working through getting a real good bleed on my brakes too, but those are starting to break in nicely and grab hard.

This was a fun project, I learned a TON, and I'm already planning my next one!

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I never updated the thread with my ROS build...Been running it a little bit, kinda still in debug. The more I ride, the more little things I find. I had to work through some issues with my Dropper and air pressure. I also have a chainline issue with my 2.8" tire in the rear and my non-boost spaced chainring. The chainline is too close to the tire and it rubs, just slightly. Still working through getting a real good bleed on my brakes too, but those are starting to break in nicely and grab hard.

This was a fun project, I learned a TON, and I'm already planning my next one!

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Good looking build. I have a love/hate relationship with Hope brakes. Although they are pretty easy to bleed, I had rear brake that could never get right after changing the hose. I tried different hoses and everything. Running XTs now and couldn't be happier. The Hope's look so nice and work great when they are properly bled.
 
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Good looking build. I have a love/hate relationship with Hope brakes. Although they are pretty easy to bleed, I had rear brake that could never get right after changing the hose. I tried different hoses and everything. Running XTs now and couldn't be happier. The Hope's look so nice and work great when they are properly bled.
Actually, they are Magura brakes...The discs are hope copy cats
 
Actually, they are Magura brakes...The discs are hope copy cats
Ah, gotcha. I should have caught that. The calipers look way different SMH. I replaced my RaceFace dropper that was leaking with a cheapo Tag Metals and even with proper air pressure it leaves a lot to be desired. I need to just drop the $$ on a Fox with Kash coating and call it day.
 
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I never updated the thread with my ROS build...Been running it a little bit, kinda still in debug. The more I ride, the more little things I find. I had to work through some issues with my Dropper and air pressure. I also have a chainline issue with my 2.8" tire in the rear and my non-boost spaced chainring. The chainline is too close to the tire and it rubs, just slightly. Still working through getting a real good bleed on my brakes too, but those are starting to break in nicely and grab hard.

This was a fun project, I learned a TON, and I'm already planning my next one!

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There is sooo much to learn about these bikes. We just keep accumulating tools repair by repair. Hope you can sort out the chain rub!
 
Does anyone have any recommendations for a good 24" fro my 7 year old? I want to take him on some trails with me after everything melts off.

So far I was looking at a Trek Precaliber & Specialized Hotrock. Looks like everything in this class only has twist shifters which I don't like, but for the purposes of a 7 year old I think grip shifts & rim brakes would work just fine. Has anyone here been through this phase of life?
We’ve had Trek and Specialized. The consensus is Specialized here. My daughter has the 24” Hotrock from 2018. Twist shifters, easy to work on, it’s a very good bike for a kid.

we currently have 5 Specialized and one Intense
 
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Ah, gotcha. I should have caught that. The calipers look way different SMH. I replaced my RaceFace dropper that was leaking with a cheapo Tag Metals and even with proper air pressure it leaves a lot to be desired. I need to just drop the $$ on a Fox with Kash coating and call it day.
I did just upgrade the brakes on my Fatbike to Shimano XT's, and yes, so far they are very good. They need some break in time too, but compared to what was on there...no contest. I had some SRAM levels, which were OK, but totally non-adjustable. Replaced them with some TRP Slate G-spec. They were terrible. Not nearly enough power for the big tires. Those went to my SS 29'er and I think they'll be OK.

My dropper is a Brand X (house brand for Chain Reaction Cycles). Its the same as a PNW Bachelor or TransX. I was low on my air charge and the grease was sticky. Bought a pump to get it up to 280 psi (!) and some SRAM butter, and it works a dream now. The remote is pretty sad, but it works for now.
 
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There is sooo much to learn about these bikes. We just keep accumulating tools repair by repair. Hope you can sort out the chain rub!
I definitely recommend building a bike. Its more fun that building a JEEP...Costs about the same though...and I might think its more fun because there isn't any rust to deal with!

I should be able to sort out the chain rub. Its mostly due to having a "non-boost" rear end (142 mm) with a big fat tire. I should be able to run a Boost style chainring and solve it. Gotta work out the math though.
 
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Its more fun that building a JEEP...Costs about the same though...and I might think its more fun because there isn't any rust
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Well, as always, a job well done!
 
Well I ended up getting my kid that Trek 24" Precliber and he loves it. He loves it so much that he's gone over the handlebars three times and yesterday he crashed so bad that he smashed his face into the pavement, busted open both lips, his nose, and lost another baby tooth. Left a pool of blood at the scene, it was great. Also popped a tire, ripped out a brake cable, and turned his bars 90 degrees. It's all good though, I got it fixed and tomorrow we're taking our first trip into the mountains (all of this happened in the neighborhood lol). Needless to say I will be watching him like a hawk.

On another note, does anyone know anything about Canyon bikes? I coworker of mine got one and he's selling me hard on it, I'm looking to upgrade from the entry-level Specialized Pitch hardtail that I really don't like and handles like a tank. For the money they seem to offer a lot of the same components for a bit less. I'm admittedly not an MTB expert, all I know is that I really don't like the bike I have now. Thoughts?

https://www.canyon.com/en-us/mounta...oesse=L&quantity=1#all-components-section-tab
 
Well I ended up getting my kid that Trek 24" Precliber and he loves it. He loves it so much that he's gone over the handlebars three times and yesterday he crashed so bad that he smashed his face into the pavement, busted open both lips, his nose, and lost another baby tooth. Left a pool of blood at the scene, it was great. Also popped a tire, ripped out a brake cable, and turned his bars 90 degrees. It's all good though, I got it fixed and tomorrow we're taking our first trip into the mountains (all of this happened in the neighborhood lol). Needless to say I will be watching him like a hawk.

On another note, does anyone know anything about Canyon bikes? I coworker of mine got one and he's selling me hard on it, I'm looking to upgrade from the entry-level Specialized Pitch hardtail that I really don't like and handles like a tank. For the money they seem to offer a lot of the same components for a bit less. I'm admittedly not an MTB expert, all I know is that I really don't like the bike I have now. Thoughts?

https://www.canyon.com/en-us/mounta...oesse=L&quantity=1#all-components-section-tab
Canyon is an English brand. The GMBN guys ride them. Looks like a nice bike. Good, mid level build spec... Heavy though. 14.5 kg is gonna be over 30lbs. Got downhill brakes (Sram guides) too, so maybe that's what your looking for, but with a 150 fork, I'd says it's more trail than downhill. Lots of raceface... You can probably improve the wheel set quite a bit, if you get it and want to make improvements. Raceface AR wheels are heavy aluminum and it doesn't even list the hubs.
 
Canyon is an English brand. The GMBN guys ride them. Looks like a nice bike. Good, mid level build spec... Heavy though. 14.5 kg is gonna be over 30lbs. Got downhill brakes (Sram guides) too, so maybe that's what your looking for, but with a 150 fork, I'd says it's more trail than downhill. Lots of raceface... You can probably improve the wheel set quite a bit, if you get it and want to make improvements. Raceface AR wheels are heavy aluminum and it doesn't even list the hubs.
That’s the kind of detail I don’t know how to recognize. I don’t do downhill, I like to pedal. A trail bike is what I’m looking for. The bike I’m cross shopping is a specialized that I’ve ridden and enjoyed, plus I can purchase it locally.
https://www.binghamcyclery.com/product/specialized-mens-stumpjumper-comp-alloy-27.5-335683-1.htm
 
That’s the kind of detail I don’t know how to recognize. I don’t do downhill, I like to pedal. A trail bike is what I’m looking for. The bike I’m cross shopping is a specialized that I’ve ridden and enjoyed, plus I can purchase it locally.
https://www.binghamcyclery.com/product/specialized-mens-stumpjumper-comp-alloy-27.5-335683-1.htm
So...just in a quick glance, you get a "better" fork with the canyon. Pikes are pretty high within the RockShox world, vs the Fox Rhythm, is good, but not the Factory version. The wheelspec is who knows, as Roval is a specialized brand, and the hubs are specialized as well. Another difference is the Canyon is NX Eagle (12 speed) vs the Shimano 11 Speed. I have an Eagle drivetrain on my new hardtail and that granny gear is pretty nice when you're beat. Its as big as a dinner plate! That's something you'll have to figure out if you need.

Looking at geometry, I'd expect the Canyon to feel a little bit more rowdy and twitchy...slightly shorter chainstay and about a degree steeper in the head angle. The Specialized has a longer wheelbase, couple mill longer chainstay and a slacker head tube angle. Specialized doesn't list the weight of this bike, which means its also gonna be heavy...I'd guess 30+ again. Who knows though...I'm a hardtail guy. I know FS bikes are heavier in general, so maybe 30 isn't that bad.

All that being said, if you've ridden the Spec, and you like it, go that route. Why take the chance? You're not saving any money going with the Canyon and if you don't like it...well, we know how that goes. Plus you're more likely to get good after sale service buying through the LBS. Canyon is a Direct to Consumer brand, I believe, so the LBS will probably fix it for you, but you won't get any deals or "free" tuneups.
 
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So...just in a quick glance, you get a "better" fork with the canyon. Pikes are pretty high within the RockShox world, vs the Fox Rhythm, is good, but not the Factory version. The wheelspec is who knows, as Roval is a specialized brand, and the hubs are specialized as well. Another difference is the Canyon is NX Eagle (12 speed) vs the Shimano 11 Speed. I have an Eagle drivetrain on my new hardtail and that granny gear is pretty nice when you're beat. Its as big as a dinner plate! That's something you'll have to figure out if you need.

Looking at geometry, I'd expect the Canyon to feel a little bit more rowdy and twitchy...slightly shorter chainstay and about a degree steeper in the head angle. The Specialized has a longer wheelbase, couple mill longer chainstay and a slacker head tube angle. Specialized doesn't list the weight of this bike, which means its also gonna be heavy...I'd guess 30+ again. Who knows though...I'm a hardtail guy. I know FS bikes are heavier in general, so maybe 30 isn't that bad.

All that being said, if you've ridden the Spec, and you like it, go that route. Why take the chance? You're not saving any money going with the Canyon and if you don't like it...well, we know how that goes. Plus you're more likely to get good after sale service buying through the LBS. Canyon is a Direct to Consumer brand, I believe, so the LBS will probably fix it for you, but you won't get any deals or "free" tuneups.
Thanks for the input Mike, that really helps!
 
Just found this thread. I’m not much of a mountain biker, being located in NE Illannoy. I do have a Trek 3500(meh) and a Trek 820AL(old but serviceable). My go to, though, for off road is a Framed Minnesota 2.0 fattie. Not a mountain bike but for an arthritic old fart in his mid sixties, it checks most of the boxes.
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That’s the kind of detail I don’t know how to recognize. I don’t do downhill, I like to pedal. A trail bike is what I’m looking for. The bike I’m cross shopping is a specialized that I’ve ridden and enjoyed, plus I can purchase it locally.
https://www.binghamcyclery.com/product/specialized-mens-stumpjumper-comp-alloy-27.5-335683-1.htm

Both of those bikes are fine as trail bikes. They are longer travel (what used to be called all-mountain setup versus a traditional cross country), but unless you're racing or riding completely smooth trails (where you'd probably be better off with a hard tail), you probably will like the slightly longer travel. They also have a more slack head angle which gives you a more aggressive feel (much easier to go down technical sections of trail). Again, most bikes are trending this way and with the same race/really easy trail caveat, most people prefer slacker head angles these days. Neither bike is likely to be overly light, but at that price range you are unlikely to find a light build as the components are all lower end. Still, if you want more of a pure cross country geometry, you could go for something like the following (similar price range and component quality, but less suspension travel, still fairly slack though):

https://www.competitivecyclist.com/...pbiBCaWtlcyAmIEZyYW1lczoyOjEwOmNjQ2F0MTAwMTYw
Between the Canyon and the Specialized, the component sets are pretty comparable. The biggest difference is the XT 11 speed derailleur on the specialized vs NX 12 speed on the Canyon. The added range on the 12 speed is nice although that specific one is 11-50 versus the 10-50 that most other Eagles have (the 11 speed Shimano is 11-46 so only about 10% difference versus the 20% difference you get with the wider range Eagle). 12 speed is harder to keep in tune though as the tolerances are tighter. Further, the NX series is the lowest quality that SRAM makes. XT is a mid range derailleur from Shimano and is going to shift smoother and be more reliable. I have XT on some bikes and SRAM Eagle GX (one step up from NX) on others and I find the XT is smoother and more reliable than the GX so probably even more noticeable compared to NX (which I haven't run). Given how noticeable shifting is on a bike when you ride it, with the almost certain better experience with the XT, I'd probably go with the Specialized on that basis alone.

In the price range you're looking at, I doubt you'll find much better than the two you are looking at (there aren't many options and they all have pretty similar builds). It's a bad time of year to be buying a bike as most of the clearance bikes are gone from last year, but you still can find some. If you're price range isn't set, the following is more expensive, but a much better bike and component set. It's a similar mid travel bike, but has 29" wheels (they also have the 27.5" version, but if you like to pedal you'll probably like 29" more).

https://www.backcountry.com/pivot-s...MIgrjTy-Tv6AIVY5JbCh1OMAIGEAkYBCABEgKCPvD_BwE
 
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Both of those bikes are fine as trail bikes. They are longer travel (what used to be called all-mountain setup versus a traditional cross country), but unless you're racing or riding completely smooth trails (where you'd probably be better off with a hard tail), you probably will like the slightly longer travel. They also have a more slack head angle which gives you a more aggressive feel (much easier to go down technical sections of trail). Again, most bikes are trending this way and with the same race/really easy trail caveat, most people prefer slacker head angles these days. Neither bike is likely to be overly light, but at that price range you are unlikely to find a light build as the components are all lower end. Still, if you want more of a pure cross country geometry, you could go for something like the following (similar price range and component quality, but less suspension travel, still fairly slack though):

https://www.competitivecyclist.com/...pbiBCaWtlcyAmIEZyYW1lczoyOjEwOmNjQ2F0MTAwMTYw
Between the Canyon and the Specialized, the component sets are pretty comparable. The biggest difference is the XT 11 speed derailleur on the specialized vs NX 12 speed on the Canyon. The added range on the 12 speed is nice although that specific one is 11-50 versus the 10-50 that most other Eagles have (the 11 speed Shimano is 11-46 so only about 10% difference versus the 20% difference you get with the wider range Eagle). 12 speed is harder to keep in tune though as the tolerances are tighter. Further, the NX series is the lowest quality that SRAM makes. XT is a mid range derailleur from Shimano and is going to shift smoother and be more reliable. I have XT on some bikes and SRAM Eagle GX (one step up from NX) on others and I find the XT is smoother and more reliable than the GX so probably even more noticeable compared to NX (which I haven't run). Given how noticeable shifting is on a bike when you ride it, with the almost certain better experience with the XT, I'd probably go with the Specialized on that basis alone.

In the price range you're looking at, I doubt you'll find much better than the two you are looking at (there aren't many options and they all have pretty similar builds). It's a bad time of year to be buying a bike as most of the clearance bikes are gone from last year, but you still can find some. If you're price range isn't set, the following is more expensive, but a much better bike and component set. It's a similar mid travel bike, but has 29" wheels (they also have the 27.5" version, but if you like to pedal you'll probably like 29" more).

https://www.backcountry.com/pivot-s...MIgrjTy-Tv6AIVY5JbCh1OMAIGEAkYBCABEgKCPvD_BwE

I went ahead and pulled the trigger on the Specialized this morning. I had already ridden it, I liked it, it was what I was looking to spend and the neighborhood bike shop is a dealer. I like your feedback on it though because your description of it is exactly what I'm looking for. I'm not a hardcore rider, just once a week or so for a few hours when I can find the time, something a little more forgiving than the hardtail I've had for years.

Took it out on some easy trails with my 7 year old for his first ride on the 24" I got him last week, I think he's hooked! While you're at it do you have any suggestions for changing his rear gearset to make way for a taller low gear? His Trek is an 8 speed and I noticed he was having a tough time on the climbs not being able to sit & pedal.

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I went ahead and pulled the trigger on the Specialized this morning. I had already ridden it, I liked it, it was what I was looking to spend and the neighborhood bike shop is a dealer. I like your feedback on it though because your description of it is exactly what I'm looking for. I'm not a hardcore rider, just once a week or so for a few hours when I can find the time, something a little more forgiving than the hardtail I've had for years.

Took it out on some easy trails with my 7 year old for his first ride on the 24" I got him last week, I think he's hooked! While you're at it do you have any suggestions for changing his rear gearset to make way for a taller low gear? His Trek is an 8 speed and I noticed he was having a tough time on the climbs not being able to sit & pedal.

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Hmmm...I think that will be tough to get a bigger range than 8 speed on your son's bike, unless you change the whole drivetrain. That is probably a good question for the LBS.

The Specialized looks GREAT!
 
I went ahead and pulled the trigger on the Specialized this morning. I had already ridden it, I liked it, it was what I was looking to spend and the neighborhood bike shop is a dealer. I like your feedback on it though because your description of it is exactly what I'm looking for. I'm not a hardcore rider, just once a week or so for a few hours when I can find the time, something a little more forgiving than the hardtail I've had for years.

Took it out on some easy trails with my 7 year old for his first ride on the 24" I got him last week, I think he's hooked! While you're at it do you have any suggestions for changing his rear gearset to make way for a taller low gear? His Trek is an 8 speed and I noticed he was having a tough time on the climbs not being able to sit & pedal.

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I have 5 and 8 year old daughters and ride with them a lot. Good family fun. Both are riding single track and my 8 year old I can even take on some moderate climbs.

If you want easier gearing on your son’s bike, you need to put a smaller chain ring up front. Probably can find one for $30 and it’s an easy swap.
Just count the number of teeth and get something smaller (try 2 teeth less). Just make sure you know what the mounting bold pattern is as there is a variety. Should be able to find it on the bike specs or customer support from the manufacturer.

There are some kits that mess with cogs on the rear cassette but generally it is one piece and can’t be changed
 
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I have 5 and 8 year old daughters and ride with them a lot. Good family fun. Both are riding single track and my 8 year old I can even take on some moderate climbs.

If you want easier gearing on your son’s bike, you need to put a smaller chain ring up front. Probably can find one for $30 and it’s an easy swap.
Just count the number of teeth and get something smaller (try 2 teeth less). Just make sure you know what the mounting bold pattern is as there is a variety. Should be able to find it on the bike specs or customer support from the manufacturer.

There are some kits that mess with cogs on the rear cassette but generally it is one piece and can’t be changed

Gotcha, so instead of finding a taller low gear one has to change the front chain ring which affects the overall ratio? So it's a tradeoff then on all gear settings...