I've noticed that. That does make more sense in regards to Mr BLains response as well.
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I've noticed that. That does make more sense in regards to Mr BLains response as well.
The more you build, the more you see why the foundation of 35s, 4" spring, 1.25" body lift works and fits together really well.
You are 100% correct. Some people just have to be right. And to do that, they need to try to prove others wrong. But if they are not willing to learn and listen, it’s pointless. I was about to post this and I just saved it bc I thought I didn’t want to get involved...but I read your post and thought I’d share it with you bc you’d get it. I hope you enjoy.
I’m jumping in late on this, but I can tell you from a racing standpoint, springs make a difference AND so do shocks because they work together. A stiffer spring is more difficult to compress and slows the travel to the shock and vice versa. In racing, we would swap springs, 155# to 160# and check the mychron4 data and ask the driver (my son) how it felt to see if it was slowing the car down, making it tighter or looser, etc. Then we put the car on scales and record the weight on each corner. These were coil over shocks and to fine tun the weight at each corner of the car, we would compress or release the load plate on top of the shock/spring by unscrewing or “screwing” it (lol). The weight would effect diagonally. What you did to the left front had the opposite effect to the right rear. My point? Good question. I miss talking racing number one. But the reasons shocks and springs are on the Jeep is because they work together to protect the Jeep and it’s components, while giving the driver as much comfort as possible without compromising the integrity of the vehicle. Both must carry a load and both deal with ride. As to which matter more? It will always matter to the situation the vehicle and driver are in. EDIT: In my opinion. Doesn’t mean I’m right, just my limited experience.
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Savage! Way to put it in context. I wanted to explain it to him about 30 times and I just kept reading and seeing it wouldn’t matter because his mind is made up. He seems worried about who is right rather that what is right. The male ego is fragile in some.
To put all of that in context, how much exposed shock shaft did your coil overs have at ride height?
We were racing quarter midgets at Orange Show Speedway and it was about 10 years ago. I would have to dig out the race set up sheets if I even have them.
My thoughts on how springs work on Jeeps as I see it is, the shocks fine tune the ride and the springs try to help dampen a sever load to the entire suspension by aiding the shocks while trying to maintain the desired height. But I’m only an engineer...on a fire engine though. So not a smart one
. If I am looking at it wrong, I’m always willing to listen. But I will always reserve the right to choose for myself once listening to multiple people and researching it till my eyes fall out. While my wife might disagree with me, I think I’ve only been wrong once in 2020. But she is not allowed here in the forum, it’s my safe space. 
Am I off on how I see it?
We were racing quarter midgets at Orange Show Speedway and it was about 10 years ago. I would have to dig out the race set up sheets if I even have them.
My thoughts on how springs work on Jeeps as I see it is, the shocks fine tune the ride and the springs try to help dampen a sever load to the entire suspension by aiding the shocks while trying to maintain the desired height. But I’m only an engineer...on a fire engine though. So not a smart one
All you've done is restart the argument. I'm surprised Blaine has hung on this long for this one.
Let me see if I can find a way to put that in perspective. One example is this rig I just finished.We were racing quarter midgets at Orange Show Speedway and it was about 10 years ago. I would have to dig out the race set up sheets if I even have them.
My thoughts on how springs work on Jeeps as I see it is, the shocks fine tune the ride and the springs try to help dampen a sever load to the entire suspension by aiding the shocks while trying to maintain the desired height. But I’m only an engineer...on a fire engine though. So not a smart one
I took the owner on a short test drive because I know most of them are fairly timid and will not drop the right side tires off the pavement onto the dirt shoulder at 55 mph just to see what it does. So, I do the driving. I have a test hill I take them up at street pressure in 2wd to show the traction that the rig makes. Thankfully on this day the owner was in the passenger seat when we were coming down the rutted hill and I put the right side up to really lean the rig over while driving.
That hill ends in a cul-de-sac about 2 long blocks from my driveway. I holed the right rear tire at the bottom of the hill based on the size of the hole and how long it took it to go flat. It went flat just as I turned into my driveway. The example for perspective is I am the only one who knew it was flat or going flat just because of how it sounded. There was nothing about the way the chassis felt that said one side is lower by several inches than the other. The owner was surprised when I hopped out to look with a "I wonder if that is what it sounds like" comment followed by a "yep, thought so, tire is flat".
The second is I can easily swap in a 150 lb spring in place of a 160 upper on one side, screw the adjuster to fix the ride height and there would never be anything the rig would do that you could perceive to know I had done that.
Also why we always need to keep this in full context.
That’s rich coming from you!
Just trying to learn and give my perspective. You may unfollow or block me if you don’t want to read my questions or experience.
Ahhh I love when lurkers finally post. Glad you’re getting involved man, we need more to do so.That’s rich coming from you!
Another very important question is what the weight of a quarter midget is.That’s rich coming from you!
I’m waaaaaaaay better at breaking stuff, so unfortunately ears are going to bleed bc I like learning from others with fun attitudes. Those are the people I like to wheel with.
That’s rich coming from you!
Blocking you would be silly.
All told, probably 5-6 pairs and several thicknesses of spacers. It wasn't until I got a decent pair of shocks installed that I figured out playing the spring game was a waste of time and effort. Though the education in the end was valuable.
I think they work together in a Jeep too.
Glad to have you participating in the forum. Not all subjects continue on like this, but the topic of coils and the role they play in ride and handling is always a heated discussion. MrBlaine, jjvw and a few others usually pop in with their experience and thoughts. I usually can't resist the topic either. I think I have a decent grasp on things, but I still have much to learn. But each time I enter into one of these discussions I usually come away with something. So I appreciate everyone who participates. Whether I agree with them or not.