Power Steering Gearbox Recommendations?

BobbyA1

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Year 2000 TJ, 4.0L i6 5spd manual with Power Steering.

I'm needing to get a new Steering Gearbox, mine has lots of slop, tightening the nut didn't help. Been looking on Amazon for potential units but I see any variety of love/hate experiences with Detroit Axle, Saginaw and others. Things like improper fitment, leaks, slop, etc.

Q: Does anyone have recommendation for a factory fitment, replacement steering gearbox?
 
I originally ordered a remanned Cardone unit off Amazon. It was super cheap for around $120 with around $75 back if you return your unit back to them. This thing was terrible with multiple leaks and slop straight out of the box. Returned it and bought a brand new Crown unit and would say it’s been solid for about 2 years now. Pretty much feels like the original box. This was one of the only options available for a new box so mostly a choice based on necessity.

The only problem is I just looked at the current price and these are around $530. I think I only paid around $330 2 years ago. I’m not sure I would recommend at that current price unless it’s the only option. Definitely stay away from Cardone units.
 
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I just installed my new not remanufactured Lares 11353. Seems of good quality to me so far.
How much play do you have in the wheel with the new box? Mines about 3/4”, but I’ve never driven a new Jeep or one with a new box so I don’t have a good benchmark of what is normal. The play that it does have with an otherwise fresh front end pisses me off though.
 
Durango is downgrade. The lower sector shaft uses bushings since it was made for an IFS vehicle. A steering box for a solid axle vehicle like the TJ should use bearings in that spot.

Lares has a "rockcrawler" box on RockAuto which is supposed to be a durango box with the bushings replaced with bearings in a new iron cast box. $400 bucks which most people scoff at. There is also very limited information out there that a steering box from an 03+ Chevy S10 could work. Though again there wasnt enough info out there that I could find that suggested it had bearings or bushings. I ended up going with a reman'd unit from NAPA at $175. After a couple of years daily driving on 35s and tough weekend trails, it has play on the lower shaft again. PSC is another brand new box, but it is a whopping $800 which puts it out of most peoples price range.

PSC and Lares are the only options that are brand new, not remanufactured.

Bottom line--there really isnt a suitable replacement unless you go brand new (PSC/Lares).
 
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Durango is downgrade. The lower sector shaft uses bushings since it was made for an IFS vehicle. A steering box for a solid axle vehicle like the TJ should use bearings in that spot.

Lares has a "rockcrawler" box on RockAuto which is supposed to be a durango box with the bushings replaced with bearings. $300 bucks which most people scoff at. There is also very limited information out there that a steering box from an 03+ Chevy S10 could work. Though again there wasnt enough info out there that I could find that suggested it had bearings or bushings. I ended up going with a reman'd unit from NAPA at $175. After a couple of years daily driving on 35s and tough weekend trails, it has play on the lower shaft again.

PSC is the only option that is brand new, not remanufactured. However its a whopping $800 which puts it out of most peoples price range.

Bottom line--there really isnt a suitable replacement unless you go brand new (PSC).
FYI, current pricing on the Lares rockcrawler box is closer to $400 now. :(
 
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How much play do you have in the wheel with the new box? Mines about 3/4”, but I’ve never driven a new Jeep or one with a new box so I don’t have a good benchmark of what is normal. The play that it does have with an otherwise fresh front end pisses me off though.
Bumping my question- anybody have feel for how much play should be expected after a new box replacement? I’ve been considering the PCS for a while now but I don’t want to have unreal expectations and fork up for a PCS only to be disappointed.
 
PSC is the only option that is brand new, not remanufactured. However its a whopping $800 which puts it out of most peoples price range.

Bottom line--there really isnt a suitable replacement unless you go brand new (PSC).
My Lares 11353 is new.

Bumping my question- anybody have feel for how much play should be expected after a new box replacement? I’ve been considering the PCS for a while now but I don’t want to have unreal expectations and fork up for a PCS only to be disappointed.
Sorry, icey snow here and quick turn at work so I haven't had a chance to check. Been driving the wife's race car to work (minivan). I will check when I get home. I will say though that I've never experienced play that I know of in either the OEM, Durango, or current Lares box. There is of course very little movement just off center which I think is normal, but maybe I just don't know any better? Lares box feels nice so far though, especially after the heavy ass feeling Durango box.
 
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Boy, I should have looked before posting. You're right--Lares now offers a new box, not remanufactured. Updated my post again.
They do still offer the 1353 reman box, which is a cost-effective option, and it is still backed by a lifetime warranty.

One option I would never consider is anything by Cardone. Their stuff is absolute garbage.
 
I took a video but can't figure out how to upload it. With the engine off, if I put one finger and rock the wheel back and forth, it has maybe an inch of play before any real force is required to go farther. I have a new steering shaft and brand new Curryectlync steering too. I think that amount of movement would produce steering movement driving down the road. I guess it's hard for me to quantify in words. I don't feel like there is any slop though.
 
Thanks for the reply. With the wheel centered I have about 3/4” of play, (measured at the steering wheel), before the pitman arm moves. If I’m understanding correctly, yours is probably similar. Not as noticeable when driving probably due to steering into the road crown. My kids JK has zero play and I wish I could get mine there.
 
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How much play do you have in the wheel with the new box? Mines about 3/4”, but I’ve never driven a new Jeep or one with a new box so I don’t have a good benchmark of what is normal. The play that it does have with an otherwise fresh front end pisses me off though.
From the RedHead site:
Have the engine running
• Wheels on the ground and gear box on center – to make sure it is on center, go all the way to a lock position and then go half way back.
• With a channel lock pliers reach in above the pitman arm and clamp onto the splines of the sector, if there is not enough room for the large pliers between the housing and the pitman arm, clamp onto the sector shaft nut.
• Holding the pliers tight, wiggle the input shaft right at the box, not at the steering wheel. If you feel any movement in the pliers your play is not coming from within the box. Remember to check at the input shaft and not by moving the intermediate shaft. If the intermediate shaft is loose it will directly replicate play in the box.
• Keep in mind that travel through the gear is greatly reduced, the input shaft will go around completely 3 to 4 times and the output (sector) shaft will move way less than a half of turn. On an eighteen to one ratio box, the input shaft goes around 18 times to 1 time of the sector (output) shaft.
• If you do find that there is play between the input shaft and the output shaft, then watch the input shaft carefully as you turn it back and forth to see if it moves in and out of the box.
• Remember to check the sector shaft for movement and not the pitman arm. If the pitman arm is worn or loose it may not respond quickly when the sector shaft turns.
 
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The Lares 11353 is listed for both the Durango and TJ on Rockauto. Last I heard was that RedHead drills out the bushings and replaces them with bearings. I would have to call to verify though. TDR did an article about how they replace the recirc balls for proper fitment.
 

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