Power steering gearbox

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Gear box is leaking, seems to be on the top . This on our 01 TJ. Has anyone rebuilt theirs? A buddy, who's a diesel mechanic says they shouldn't be too hard, most people just shy away from them.

I'm not afraid of tackling the job, but it's my daughters and so I'm worried, I get it torn out and run into some unknown issue. Any pointers? I don't want to be driving her around!
 
Until you figure out a solution, keep the power steering fluid reservoir full so that you don't damage the pump by cavitation (that whiny squealy noise you are probably hearing).

My '02 TJ developed a leak at the top of the steering gearbox just as you described. There are rebuild kits if you choose to tackle it yourself. I can't speak to the difficulty of that job, but you may be able to gauge it by finding a writeup on a steering box rebuild.

I chose to send mine to West Texas Offroad to have it rebuilt. They are a popular choice for modifying TJ steering systems for hydro assist, but they also offer a plain rebuilt box. You must send in your old box to waive the core charge.

https://www.westtexasoffroad.com/
 
BFH Garage has a great detailed video on how to rebuild it.

I bought a NAPA reman'd box a few years ago. It was $175 after a core refund. Otherwise if you dont have the core it was something like $270 IIRC
 
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I personally wouldn't bother rebuilding one on my own. I know people say they suck but I've used a few of the rebuilt boxes from your favorite chain store and they work fine.
 
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Gear box is leaking, seems to be on the top . This on our 01 TJ. Has anyone rebuilt theirs? A buddy, who's a diesel mechanic says they shouldn't be too hard, most people just shy away from them.

I'm not afraid of tackling the job, but it's my daughters and so I'm worried, I get it torn out and run into some unknown issue. Any pointers? I don't want to be driving her around!

Check the four bolts on top to see if they are loose.
 
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Gear box is leaking, seems to be on the top . This on our 01 TJ. Has anyone rebuilt theirs? A buddy, who's a diesel mechanic says they shouldn't be too hard, most people just shy away from them.

I'm not afraid of tackling the job, but it's my daughters and so I'm worried, I get it torn out and run into some unknown issue. Any pointers? I don't want to be driving her around!
You can replace the seals for both the input and output shafts without rebuilding the box… there are several YouTube vids detailing the whole process and it’s not that bad… I replaced both seals in mine 3 weeks ago… took a couple of hours… this is the kit for my gearbox…

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000CGRQ36/?tag=wranglerorg-20
 
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Ok, I've been digesting this, haven't had much chance to look over the box as daughters gone all the time with it. It is leaking more and more, so having to keep up on fluid, but so far so good. I'll try to check the 4 bolts on top this weekend, keeping fingers crossed.

I've been working through the rebuild videos and I've tried reaching out to the west texas place, to inquire about rebuilding mine. I'm not at all opposed replacing seals or rebuilding it all together, it's just finding the time at this point. Daughters senior year and she's busy right now so hard to take her car away for any length of time.

I am curious for those that have rebuilt theirs is there anything major outside of the videos to watch for? My biggest fear is I tear into it and find something is missing and thus need to order and it puts it on hold for a week waiting on a part. If it's just a matter of tearing it apart, cleaning it up, replacing seals(that are in the kit) and that needle bearing assembly, that shouldn't be too bad. If there is any chance it'll be down for any length of time, a weekend is doable, then I'll just look at likely replacing and maybe rebuilding this one as time permits.

I see it should be a Saginaw, I believe the C3 Vette I have is also a Saginaw, I wish they were the same as I replaced the vettes steering box recently to upgrade its steering to non ram assist and still have the old steering box, which was fine, just got rid of the troublesome ram assist factory setup. I'm actually a bit surprised to see people changing the jeep to ram assist. The vette handles soooo much better now.
 
Yes it's a Saginaw which was used through 2002. Ram assist is used on TJs when running big tires that can get nearly impossible to turn on some types of terrain, especially high traction big rocks like I favored. Many times I struggled hard to turn left or right and always wished I had installed ram assist.
 
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Yes it's a Saginaw which was used through 2004. Ram assist is used on TJs when running big tires that can get nearly impossible to turn on some types of terrain, especially high traction big rocks like I favored. Many times I struggled hard to turn left or right and always wished I had installed ram assist.

I guess that might make some sense. I'm not a steering expert by any stretch, I just know on the 73 Vette it had ram assist, which had all been previously replaced prior to buying it, started leaking fluid badly because the valve went out. Everyone said replace with the non-ram assist Borgeson setup and eliminate the Ram and valve, which required a different gear box, collapsing the column, but same reservoir. It was truly night/day difference in cornering and driving. Gone was the play in the wheel and it corners like a go-cart IMO. Now, I get a Jeep wouldn't want to corner like that, but in my head it would seem another item to smack on a rock. Maybe not, I'm sure you can address that or live with the risk. In my old 78 CJ with 33's, I never had any issues, but never took it on any sizeable rocks and such. Being in the midwest, it was mainly riverbeds, mud pits and the such!

This TJ is my teen daughters daily driver and so far it isn't lifted or oversized tires, but who knows when/if that day will come, so when I replace parts, I figure if the part should be 'beefed up', might as well do it now. Obviously cost comes into play. I bought it with the understanding she is involved in school, gets the grades, keeps head on straight and some day I'll sign it over, but she shouldn't sell it!

Some day, I might have to buy one for myself, but first I have an old 77 Jeep DJ5, right hand drive that I plan to Rat Rod Out. I'll have to rebuild all the steering for that one as well, so trying to learn the pros/cons of different setups.
 
Yes it's a Saginaw which was used through 2002. Ram assist is used on TJs when running big tires that can get nearly impossible to turn on some types of terrain, especially high traction big rocks like I favored. Many times I struggled hard to turn left or right and always wished I had installed ram assist.

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Didn't have time to attempt any repairs this weekend, but I did get a chance to look it over a bit better and attempt to clean the area to see exactly where the leak is. I sprayed everything down real well with parts cleaner.

I noticed that the power steering lines were right next to gearbox. I'm really hoping that they've just been rubbing and maybe the fluid just worked its way around.

Here's a pic of before and after prying the lines off and zooming in. I tried turning wheels back/forth to see if any fluid would come out. But no luck yet. She'll be driving a lot tomorrow, so I'll look when she gets home. Fingers crossed it's the lines and not box.

Zoomed in its apparent to me the one line is at least dented.

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I ordered the hoses, they'll be here by first of week if not sooner. I've been watching and don't think that's the issue. Seems like it is leaking from that seal under the adjuster nut. I've been told that's a pretty fast fix IF that's where the leak is.

I'll also say, I spoke with West Texas 4Wheel today as well and am strongly debating just going with their rebuild. I don't need a ported unit now, so that's the debate....do I pay extra to get that, install it and then ship mine back or save the $$$ and ship them mine to rebuild. Or do I send them mine and wait 2-3 weeks to get a non-ported unit back. I will say they were great and gave me lots of advice....

One thing I'm debating is picking a used one up from salvage, installing that to buy time to rebuild myself or have someone like them rebuild. They don't stock the non-ported units. I went to O'Reilly site to cross reference, but they have about 6 different versions all say they fit the 01 Jeep. The difference seems to be around the input shaft diameter and turns to lock. Am I getting bad info here? Amazon also doesn't specify. Salvage yard didn't have a cross-reference, but West Texas seemed to say it's same as S10's, Astro Vans, etc, etc.....
 
There seems to be issues with remanufactured boxes not being as “tight” as they should, regardless of the remanufacturer. That is why so many suggest to fix the box you have if it is tight/no play in the wheel. It really is roulette.
 
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There seems to be issues with remanufactured boxes not being as “tight” as they should, regardless of the remanufacturer. That is why so many suggest to fix the box you have if it is tight/no play in the wheel. It really is roulette.

That is whyI'm really leaning towards having west Texas rebuild, but the jeep can't be down 2 weeks. I just need to know what vehicles I can go pull a box off of from salvage to buy time. I really think I can get a used one for ~$50.
 
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Red Head was a good rebuilder. I cant say if they still are but that's who I was planning on going with. The Dakota snow plow package steering box was supposed to be more better than stock.