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just bought a new to us 2024 Outback.
The found out the remote start is subscription based through an app on your phone.
I want a 2006 Outback to replace this 2024
Won't happen. I'll probably just get an 06 here in 5 more years.
The found out the remote start is subscription based through an app on your phone.
I want a 2006 Outback to replace this 2024
Won't happen. I'll probably just get an 06 here in 5 more years.
just bought a new to us 2024 Outback.
The found out the remote start is subscription based through an app on your phone.
I want a 2006 Outback to replace this 2024
Won't happen. I'll probably just get an 06 here in 5 more years.
yeah my wife's old 2016 Benz had the app...stopped working pretty quickly. That is one of the first things I look at when considering a car...any subscriptions or app...no way. Unfortunately getting harder to find in every new year of a car.
I missed out on a sweet modified 2006 Outback on bring a trailer by two hours. It sold for $3500
Way better then the $35000 on the 2024
I am not getting any more new cars. Unless it's an Audi RS6 Avant. Then I'll just deal with the crap.
I like the fuel efficiency of today's cars. My 70s era vehicles only get single digit mpg
Way better then the $35000 on the 2024
I am not getting any more new cars. Unless it's an Audi RS6 Avant. Then I'll just deal with the crap.
I like the fuel efficiency of today's cars. My 70s era vehicles only get single digit mpg
just bought a new to us 2024 Outback.
The found out the remote start is subscription based through an app on your phone.
I want a 2006 Outback to replace this 2024
Won't happen. I'll probably just get an 06 here in 5 more years.
Well, I wouldn't give a damn one way or another about remote start - an answer to a question nobody was asking, much less paying a subscription for it. But dependent on a PHOOOOOONNE is just adding insult to injury. They expect you to have a PHOOOOOONNE in the first place, pay for THAT and its subscription, then add another subscription for their bullshit pseudo-feature. If I was in this situation and really cared, I'd either find a way to hack the damn thing or just install an aftermarket unit to do the same thing.
So join the rest of us who just aren't participating in this lunacy. I'd rather drive a '63 Ford Falcon with a 3 on the tree than ANY of this "modern" bullcrap.
You can buy a LOT of gas for the money you'll save!
My wife's Maserati has to have the oil changed at the dealer or the light stays on and it goes into limp mode. 680 for the oil change. Brake light came on, pads alone are 590, lost a key, have to get it thru the dealer of course, 1,800 for a key. Sold it yesterday. No more new cars for us.
My boring Jeep has remote start and I really like having it on hot days and cold days. What I cannot understand is why remote start has anything to do with a subscription service.
Jeep went about it differently for a long time. Sell something people will likely break on purpose and void any warranty. An experience.
Then they switched up recently to tech.
They could have expanded a factory off road lineup and sold lifts, axles, tires, off road parts and upgrades to extract money. Like Bronco does now. Instead of owners relying on after market stuff.
High end axles with Currie Components, 35" tires and a 4" lift as a factory option. But I guess the minivan marketing worked for a while too.
Then they switched up recently to tech.
They could have expanded a factory off road lineup and sold lifts, axles, tires, off road parts and upgrades to extract money. Like Bronco does now. Instead of owners relying on after market stuff.
High end axles with Currie Components, 35" tires and a 4" lift as a factory option. But I guess the minivan marketing worked for a while too.
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At the risk of having pity for the plight of the wealthy and BMW nickel and diming them with invented subscriptions...
Our 2021 Grand Cherokee came with a one-year subscription to the UConnect app (I think that's what it was called). Remote start 'from anywhere' and could tell you your mileage, when you were due for the next service, etc. The remote start via app worked maybe 50% of the time; the other 50% you'd get a message the signal didn't go through.
All this to do the same thing I can do by pressing the remote start button on my key fob from 300 yards away and reading the gauges on the dash; it made no sense. When the trial subscription expired after a year, the renewal plans were worse than this - I think $10/month got you remote start and $16 got you access to the gauges and service reminders, etc. Absolute insanity.
The Ford pass app does all that for free, I’ve never had it not start. I can even check my DEF level.
This pissed me off about my Ram 1500 (that I just sold). They wanted $15 / month for the app. Since my truck was a Big Horn, I'm pretty sure the only thing it could do is unlock the doors. That would've been nice, but $15 / month is a rip off.
My wife and I both have Ford's now and the app is free and includes remote start. So one more reason I'm not liking Stellantis.
Another is the Ram was on it's third battery under warranty and they're not AGM (bought an AGM about 2 months before selling it). Wife's Expedition and my Bronco both came with an AGM battery. With all the electronics, you would think they would include an AGM battery to minimize problems.
Did your Ram have the Auto start stop? I think that's why Ford went to AGM's. My Superduty doesn't have that so it came with two traditional batteries.
Yes, it did unfortunately. It also had the etorque (mild hybrid) which was one of the main causes of me getting rid of it. In just under 3 years, I had to take it to the dealer for warranty problems 9 or 10 times. The third battery would die if I didn't drive it for 24 hours. Didn't seem to be a problem with the AGM battery.
A guy at work has one of his lease vehicles over at the Chevy dealer because it had a CEL, nearly 1 year after they replaced the engine in it within 5k miles of ownership.
However, he's talking to another Chevy owner and they are naming off all the people they've worked with in the service department.
I had to point out I'm happy to know zero people in the service department at any Ford dealer.
At least it's a lease, so he won't be stuck with it when the warranty runs out. When I bought the Ram, the Chevy trucks were having major engine AND trans failures.
We were going to lease the Bronco, but apparently Ford doesn't want to lease them. The lease payment was too close to the purchase payment.
One of the things I love about having a TJ and a 2018 Ram 2500 (with 4 wheel coil suspension) is so many of the systems are the same and I can learn maintenance and repair on one vehicle and apply it to the other.
One thing that ticks me off is the parking brake adjustment. We all know the little rubber plug in the back of the drum that you pull out so you can spin the star adjustment wheel. Well on the 2018 Ram I believe they were trying to “keep it cheap” and use the same parts on both sides, so on one side the drum and parking brake is upside down, and that plug is on top of the axle, buried behind the brake caliber and other crap, completely inaccessible. I think I even read in the manual - or it might have been the Haynes manual - that if it’s too difficult to reach you can REMOVE THE AXLE!”
Design for service - in the toilet.
One thing that ticks me off is the parking brake adjustment. We all know the little rubber plug in the back of the drum that you pull out so you can spin the star adjustment wheel. Well on the 2018 Ram I believe they were trying to “keep it cheap” and use the same parts on both sides, so on one side the drum and parking brake is upside down, and that plug is on top of the axle, buried behind the brake caliber and other crap, completely inaccessible. I think I even read in the manual - or it might have been the Haynes manual - that if it’s too difficult to reach you can REMOVE THE AXLE!”
Design for service - in the toilet.
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