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There are a lot of people who have no idea how to use a roundabout

This one....oh, this one....

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Simplest traffic control device ever invented, and most people are clueless. I live on a tiny island, there are two of these on it and most the of the residents have no idea what to do, much less the visitors...
 
But not this, I will never agree with this. Tech is not a substitute for competence....and if someone can't bother being competent, I'd suggest they make friends with someone who can, or buy some comfortable walking shoes.

Might help if we could be bothered to actually teach people how to drive, and, as well, had the collective sack to make sure that those who can't, don't.
Yea, no shit Sherlock. Its amazing to go someplace besides the US where people actually know how to fucking drive...
 
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This is where you become ideologically bound into irrelevance for this discussion.

It isn't ideology, its just facts. Most people would rather stab themselves in the left eye with a fork than to be without their oh-so-precious PHOOOOOONNE. Its disgusting and sickening. Its also disgusting and sickening what those fucking things have done to the world, and people's thought processes. Why, there are even people who think throwing (even more) technology at a problem - or more usually, a pseudo problem - is wonderful and/or the answer. The Way Forward (tm). Critical thinking skills have left the US, largely driven out by the smartphone which has turned us into a nation of brain dead effete pussies.
 
Oh FUCK THAT! Throw more bullshit at the problem because people don't know how to fucking drive - RIIIIIIGHT... This smartphone-think is how we got here in the first place.

You don't know where the joke is.
 
How do you feel about required periodic retesting to renew a driver's license?

In theory, maybe. In practice, I'm with @Apparition , feck the Man. ;)

Honestly, I think we could do a much better job of training people in the first place. I think it could and would make a remarkable difference. The test I took was not particularly challenging or difficult, if memory serves.

If you're into motorsports, you may have heard the phrase, "If you want to win, hire a Fin!", and that's not all rhetoric. Driving in Finland can be challenging, for any number of reasons, but producing good drivers is not an accident. Their driver training requirements are pretty serious, as I understand it, and it takes a bit of time to complete.

Did anyone here have skid pad or hydroplane spin training to get their license? The best most of us probably got was, "steer into the slide." While not bad advice, it's a bit more nuanced than that.
 
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Did anyone here have skid pad or hydroplane spin training to get their license? The best most of us probably got was, "steer into the slide." While not bad advice, it's a bit more nuanced than that.

mine was screwing around with my high school buddies with our RWD cars on a grassy field one of their parents owned, doing time trials around it. Somehow we randomly got connected with a former amateur rally driver from Africa that took us around in his S13 and show us some tips. I think 65% of my driving skills developed that summer.

Also: how I caught 3 feet of air in a 25 year old Datsun 280Z and broke a coil spring on the way down.
 
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I love my backup cameras on my newer vehicles. The camera helps for sure but I don't need it in most situations. I do really appreciate having the camera on my RAM2500 when I have to back into spot and get right up to a wall or something as I had to do many times at my former work underground parking lot.

Funny story - My parallel parking skill was burned in my brain by a test my dad set up for me when getting ready to take my driving test close to my 16th birthday. He set up two trash cans in front of the house and had me parallel park between them several times. Sounds pretty normal, right? The funny part is those cans were loaded with beer bottles from a party I had at my place and I was terrified that I'd knock one over and get busted for it! It is too late to ask him now if he knew about those bottles but I am pretty sure he did and probably enjoyed watching me sweat that out!
 
Honestly, I think we could do a much better job of training people in the first place. I think it could and would make a remarkable difference. The test I took was not particularly challenging or difficult, if memory serves.

I think this is where part of the main issue lies. Drivers education is required if you're trying to get your license earlier than 18 but 18 and older only need to pass the test, which I think is stupid. My drivers test was not difficult but I took it at 16 years old after a drivers education course in addition to having a hardship at 15.
 
my 280Z was like having a parallel parking cheat code. I could turn around and almost reach the back of the car from the drivers seat. But it didn't have AC and my birthday is in August so I used my moms car for the test. Still, it was a 2 door E30 BMW so not exactly hard.
 
On my truck it adjusts based on the trailer length that I input and covers it too.

I would say that, if a vehicle is going to have the feature, this makes good sense, it most certainly makes it more functional/usable. What's concerning is, how many know it has those settings and, even if they know, actually bother using them?

I've noticed that some cars detect at reasonably safe distances and continue to indicate until you've cleared (or are clearly visible to the other driver), but other, and I assume these are cheaper systems, don't indicate until there would most certainly be contact if the other car moved over, and turn off before my seating position is in line with the other drivers. That's cutting it a bit too close, I think.
 
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I think this is where part of the main issue lies. Drivers education is required if you're trying to get your license earlier than 18 but 18 and older only need to pass the test, which I think is stupid. My drivers test was not difficult but I took it at 16 years old after a drivers education course in addition to having a hardship at 15.

doesn't even really matter. At least in my drivers ed course, it was focused mostly on the rules of the road and offered almost nothing with respect to controlling a vehicle in panic or low traction scenarios.
 
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Did anyone here have skid pad or hydroplane spin training to get their license? The best most of us probably got was, "steer into the slide." While not bad advice, it's a bit more nuanced than that.

Not in cars but we spent a lot of time in the mud and on ice with atv's we did things that in hindsight I'm not sure how it was possible with them but you learn what you can and cannot do before you should expect consequences. .
 
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In theory, maybe. In practice, I'm with App, feck the Man. ;)

Honestly, I think we could do a much better job of training people in the first place. I think it could and would make a remarkable difference. The test I took was not particularly challenging or difficult, if memory serves.

If you're into motorsports, you may have heard the phrase, "If you want to win, hire a Fin!", and that's not all rhetoric. Driving in Finland can be challenging, for any number of reasons, but producing good drivers is not an accident. Their driver training requirements are pretty serious, as I understand it, and it takes a bit of time to complete.

Did anyone here have skid pad or hydroplane spin training to get their license? The best most of us probably got was, "steer into the slide." While not bad advice, it's a bit more nuanced than that.

I've always felt that along with better testing procedures, there should be three physical tests for emergency maintenance when you're stranded. First is how to change a tire, second is how to jumpstart a car, and third is how the change a battery. The first two I feel are way too important to not know, especially because they can happen literally anywhere. At least with the battery you at the very least have to be at an auto parts store to get the new one and employees are often told they have to help yo, but still information I feel is important.

Funny story, once my battery died in a parking lot near campus and I called a friend to help me with a jump. A lady sitting in her car nearby heard me and said she could help as long as I had cables, which I did. She pulled in next to me while I got the cables out of the back, and while I was hooking them up on my end I was holding the other ends behind me towards her. After a few moments of me holding them out for her, I had finished and looked back at her, to which she just looked at me with a very confused look. I could tell right then that she had no idea how to do this. I hooked things up on her end and had to tell her to go start her car as she continued to stare at me. I appreciate her help and all, but I was surprised she knew what a jump was in the first place afterwards.
 
I would say that, if a vehicle is going to have the feature, this makes good sense, it most certainly makes it more functional/usable. What's concerning is, how many know it has those settings and, even if they know, actually bother using them?

When you hook up a trailer you have to go through a setup process where you input the trailer length and type. Whenever you hook up to it it recognizes that trailer and either selects or allows you to select the profile.

I also read the users manual.
 
I've always felt that along with better testing procedures, there should be three physical tests for emergency maintenance when you're stranded. First is how to change a tire, second is how to jumpstart a car, and third is how the change a battery. The first two I feel are way too important to not know, especially because they can happen literally anywhere. At least with the battery you at the very least have to be at an auto parts store to get the new one and employees are often told they have to help yo, but still information I feel is important.

The first two definitely but changing the battery on some new vehicles isn't as easy as we would like it to be.
 
Not in cars but we spent a lot of time in the mud and on ice with atv's we did things that in hindsight I'm not sure how it was possible with them but you learn what you can and cannot do before you should expect consequences. .

As did I (similarly) but I don't think this is the norm, even more so nowadays. Go karts, mini bikes, even bicycles (thinking more bmx/mountian bike here) can and will teach you important lessons in physics. You grew up on a farm, if I'm not mistaken, IMHO that actually makes a difference as well. You were probably taught to operate all manner of equipment long before you were legally allowed to drive - in fact, you probably operated some of those machines on the roads well before 16. (y)