They are, and for those reasons, but only in the "civilized countries" (generally white population areas). I don't think it's specifically a racial thing, more of a can't say anything negative about or to "people of color" thing.
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They are, and for those reasons, but only in the "civilized countries" (generally white population areas). I don't think it's specifically a racial thing, more of a can't say anything negative about or to "people of color" thing.
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They are a very very bad investment
This is all gonna crash n butn because Govt is trying to FORCE the market and people are waking up to the lies and manipulative BS and rejecting it. It will not hold
One of my neighbors daughters bought or leased one when they first come out. She doesn't keep a vehicle through the first set of tires, so I knew it wouldn't be around long, but that thing was replaced by a 1500 within 6-12 months. IDK if it was recalled, or she just hated it, either way it was quickly replaced. I need to ask about it.
Filled up the old volt for the first time in almost 9 months. 7332 miles/7.258 gal = 1010 mpg.
I have to be misreading this, but it estimates that you only have a 74 mile range with what looks like a full battery, and you say the gas tank is full? Or is that pic at the low fuel level?
That's right. Pic is before I filled up. Gas range estimate leaves a buffer of almost 2 gal. Electric range varies quite a bit with driving style and temperature. Battery capacity has definitely dropped a bit over the years. But with gas as a backup it isn't such a big deal.
My Volt was one of the best cars I owned. Charged at home and work. Routinely got over 5000 miles on 7 gallons of gas as the mileage to work was right at the battery limit. Rarely used gas.
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Push that to 30 miles & bring the price down to a reasonable number (mid-20s in my book, something Honda Civic-sized) & I'd be interested. With that kind of combination I'd rarely burn gas, & if a company like Honda produced it I'd have less trepidation about the reliability than I'd otherwise have with any of these morbidly obese SUV type piles of shit.
But in a 60k rig? Makes zero sense.
But then again 60k rigs always make zero sense to me. I'll take a 22k rig all day long & drop the other 38k in the market & let that marinate for a couple decades instead.
No shit, huh? But people have more money - or at least access to sombody else's money - than they have brains.
I'm in full agreement with the Ramseyan position that vehicles are one of, if not the, largest factors in stymieing wealth accumulation. I can't think of a bigger waste of money than what people piss away on their cars, particularly those that finance or lease expensive rides. The difference between what they need to spend and what they actually spend is stunning, and all those hundreds of dollars in excess every month of their lives are lost opportunities to build real wealth. But apparently it's more important to show boat around town in a (fill in the blank) than it is to enter your retirement years with some measure of financial independence.
A favorite Ramsey quote: “We buy things we don't need with money we don't have to impress people we don't like.”
Weird to talk negatively about wasting money on cars on a TJ forum.....
It depends. My all in Jeep cost so far is around half of the new hybrid we just bought.
If you fix up an old car yourself it's not a huge financial drain.
The majority of people buying cars now have 5-8 year loans and pay more in interest than the purchase price.
I could spend $500 a month on my Jeep or give $500 in interest to the bank for a new car. I don't spend $500 a month on parts.
Gas dropped to 2.50/gallon here. My hybrid's gas mileage went from 20mpg at around 0 F to 30 mpg at around 50 F. But the holidays are over now and we don't drive it much.
I get it, I have 6 cars that total were less than a decent optioned 1/2 ton new truck. I would gladly sell 1 but it's not worth more than $4k so I keep it and drive it, likely until it wont anymore.....
I have one car loan that I want gone quite badly. However it's a truck that should last me 15-20 years easy as it never sees winter.
yea, there's a time & place for everything. To continue the Ramsey rant, according to him no one should buy a new car until they've reached a million dollars in net worth. He has some formula to determine what amount you should spend on vehicles.
I've always disagreed with that, too extreme even for me, I've always seen value in buying very inexpensive new cars then driving them for a decade before flipping them into a new one. Pound for pound the least expensive way to assure reliable transportation with nearly zero maintenance costs, for daily drivers anyway. The numbers are interesting at $112/mo as my purchase price pro-rated over time (assuming $21,000 cash purchase price minus $7500 residual value from prior car = $13,500 per decade divided by 120 months = $112.50/mo). I'm currently in year 10 of my current ride, and between the Accord that preceded it and the Subie I spent a grand total of $900 on repairs over 20 years. You'll never do that in a Ramsey mobile.
Toys are a different category, really it's mostly flushing money down the toilet. I didn't get my TJ until I hit 50, a toy like this didn't add up for me at any point prior to that. I've gotten a lot of enjoyment out of it so it's been worthwhile from that standpoint, otherwise it's been a completely frivolous waste of dough
Cheaper than hookers and blow. It's all relative.
yea, there's a time & place for everything. To continue the Ramsey rant, according to him no one should buy a new car until they've reached a million dollars in net worth. He has some formula to determine what amount you should spend on vehicles.
I've always disagreed with that, too extreme even for me, I've always seen value in buying very inexpensive new cars then driving them for a decade before flipping them into a new one. Pound for pound the least expensive way to assure reliable transportation with nearly zero maintenance costs, for daily drivers anyway. The numbers are interesting at $112/mo as my purchase price pro-rated over time (assuming $21,000 cash purchase price minus $7500 residual value from prior car = $13,500 per decade divided by 120 months = $112.50/mo). I'm currently in year 10 of my current ride, and between the Accord that preceded it and the Subie I spent a grand total of $900 on repairs over 20 years. You'll never do that in a Ramsey mobile.
Toys are a different category, really it's mostly flushing money down the toilet. I didn't get my TJ until I hit 50, a toy like this didn't add up for me at any point prior to that. I've gotten a lot of enjoyment out of it so it's been worthwhile from that standpoint, otherwise it's been a completely frivolous waste of dough
There's basically no situation where buying brand new is financially better than buying slightly used. But keeping them for a decade does make up a for it quite a bit, and I don't begrudge anyone for buying luxuries they can afford.
I see my TJ as a luxury toy. I can afford it and I enjoy it. My volt was the newest car I'd ever bought. At the time it was 5 years old, and the "savings" helped me justify the TJ. I could have used the TJ money to get a new car, but I'd rather have a good used car and the jeep toy.
Some day I hope to be able to afford a brand new car. But I like toys so who knows if it'll ever happen.
Biden Regime Designates Martha’s Vineyard as “Low-Income” Community to Qualify for Federal EV Charger Tax Credits
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/20...you-cant-make-this-up-biden-regime-designates
Made no sense to me, electric portion aside, this reinforced why I got rid of my 2012 JKU for the TJ. It is bad at everything, tops are too big to store in the Jeep, doors are a beast to remove, does not hold a lot of stuff and drives like a brick....and $58K for a Sahara version that had power locks, doors and manual seats where the adjustments seem to be able only to be made with the door open.
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