Front lockouts or Yukon spin free hubs discussion

[mrblaine]

Been reading this thread and a few others. I have the opportunity to pick up a NOS Warn big hub kit (5 x 5.5). I believe it is an old Warn kit anyway. The pictures show a "flat spot" on the spindle, which appears unique to Yukon/Warn. View attachment 658823

It may be an older Yukon kit when they were still using the Warn Locking Hubs. The shop that has it bought it from another shop in a "going out of business lot" so they don't have a ton of info He's asking a fairly reasonable price, compared to what they are selling for on Yukon's site right now.

I'm kinda on the fence. I've always wanted a hub kit, esp since my switch to auto. I'd like to have more caster, I have a Rubi with the auto, and I want to go deeper in gears. I've already got Vibs around 75 with 4.88's so I know I'm playing with fire going any deeper. I've not spent time trying to tune them out, but I also know I don't have the patience/stubborness to do so. I'll try a few times, but eventually will just get sick of it. I'm also VERY frustrated with wheel selection in 5 x 4.5 and 17" diameter.

The Free Spin kit fixes a lot of my concerns/frustrations...but it won't be a drop in plug and play. I have a 16" big brake kit and the Revolution Big joint (1350) front axles (which I'd rather not give up). The brake kit seems pretty straight forward. Unclear on the axle shafts. I don't know if the JK stub shaft gets used on this TJ kit, or do I need to pull the big joint and go with the "standard" 760 U-joint. Plus...Who knows what's actually IN this kit. It looks all there, but its already half assembled.

Does anyone have experience with free spin kits and the Revolution big joint Axles?

Now that I'm not in a hurry to get done before Kat time. Yes, I have experience with the big joint shafts and hub conversions. There are 2 solutions there. Get rid of the big joint shafts or build a stub shaft that is JK joint on one side and hub conversion on the other. What I don't know is what the JK hub conversion is using. Unless it has changed, the JK hub conversions are only made in the 5.5" bolt circle. What I don't know is if they are using the JK joint. If they are, then we need to put eyes on the stub shaft to see what it takes to use it as is or adapt it to an existing TJ conversion.

Regarding the above kit. That is not a CJ rotor which is what the Warn/Yukon kit uses for the 08 kit. Warn had the customer turn down the OD on the CJ rotor to get it to fit. Yukon does it for you. I can get some pics later to show what that looks like with a diameter and then the diameter and thickness of the JK stock front rotor as a comparison to see if perhaps we are looking at a JK conversion. See if you can get a diameter and thickness on the rotor there.

One thing that would help is to see if they will measure from the face of the spindle where it butts into the face of knuckle out to the WMS. The more I look at it, the more I think we are looking at a JK conversion. The stub shaft also looked longer than the typical one found in the 08 kit but without dimensions, it is hard to know.

 

[mrblaine]

https://solidaxle.com/products/jeep...JzotFhnViZaxUzdSSB-VGn&variant=31935898681481

That is the Solid JK kit. Reading the description shows it uses the 760 joints. It also has the Speed sensor port.

 

[Mike_H]

@mrblaine over and above as always. Thanks for the info and the time analyzing the pictures. Honestly, it would make sense that it’s a JK kit. The shop that unloaded it to Rich was very focused on newer stuff and they did all manner of work (cars, trucks, 4x4 or not).

 

[mrblaine]

@mrblaine over and above as always. Thanks for the info and the time analyzing the pictures. Honestly, it would make sense that it’s a JK kit. The shop that unloaded it to Rich was very focused on newer stuff and they did all manner of work (cars, trucks, 4x4 or not).

I didn't see spindle nut sets in their for sale pics.

 

[Strizzo]

I ordered my 07 kit just after Christmas and it arrived on new years eve. I've opened it up and checked that all items were included, and they indeed appear to have been. The packaging has changed though as all of the parts were packed in plastic resealable bags rather than shrunk to a piece of cardboard. I've been doing as much as I can before I tear into the front axle. I also need to move the axle back a bit as a washer on the track bar has been touching the diff cover, so I plan to do that and adjust the pinion angle/caster at the same time.

 

[Strizzo]

I have also been thinking about this situation, as my plan is eventually for 35s, and I started looking at where one could get one or two spare AVM hubs. The only option appears to be an ebay listing with a price only a few dollars short of a whole new -07 yukon kit.

On the other hand I'm hesitant to go to the -08 kit because it seems that the only wheels available in 5x5.5 are 15 and 16", which seem to make the only option for tires load range E. I'd prefer to stick with C load range if I can help it, although I'm running load range E currently and the ride isn't as bad as I thought it would be.

In an update to this post, it looks like C&C equipment received a shipment of 465 XP hubs as they have updated their listing on ebay.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1560051105...pid=5337789113&customid=&toolid=10001&mkevt=1

 

[Unique Username]

In an update to this post, it looks like C&C equipment received a shipment of 465 XP hubs as they have updated their listing on ebay.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1560051105...pid=5337789113&customid=&toolid=10001&mkevt=1

I received a notification that the price dropped from $1,200 to $275.

I understand this XP is same as the HP except it possibly is different materials? Is that correct?
I do want to keep a spare.

 

[Strizzo]

I received a notification that the price dropped from $1,200 to $275.

I understand this XP is same as the HP except it possibly is different materials? Is that correct?
I do want to keep a spare.

The body is steel and the internals are hardened. The 465HP is supposed be approximately equivalent to the old warn hubs, and the 465XP is stronger still. The ranger guys that use them say they're plenty strong enough for 35s and hard wheeling.

 

[rjaym]

I’m running the old warn hubs 5 x4.5 - these are same? If yes, Seems like a great opportunity to grab spare.

 

[Strizzo]

I’m running the old warn hubs 5 x4.5 - these are same? If yes, Seems like a great opportunity to grab spare.

Stronger than the Warn hubs. although @mrblaine has outlined why that might not necessarily be a good thing as they could move the failure point to more expensive/harder parts to repair on the trail. For a comparable hub to the Warn, the AVM 465 HP would be the go to.

 

[mrblaine]

Stronger than the Warn hubs. although @mrblaine has outlined why that might not necessarily be a good thing as they could move the failure point to more expensive/harder parts to repair on the trail. For a comparable hub to the Warn, the AVM 465 HP would be the go to.

Pure speculation until we get some real world feedback. I know what "can" happen, I don't know what will happen.

 

[Wildman]

I am only speaking about my own experience regarding the strength of the small hub kit. I have been running it and 35’s for the past 5 years. They have held up to all my wheeling trips, 4-5 times a year as well as street driving for a total of 38k miles.

While I’m not a skinny pedal first driver, I use it quite often when crawling doesn’t work. I am not easy on my Jeep when wheeling. I bought spare hubs expecting the same weakness and resultant failure. Spares are still in the box 5 years later and all is well with the axles. Just one man’s experience.

Got my right front tire caught in a undercut ledge and was trying to climb it... This was when I still had the 4 angry squirrels and 4:1 TeraLow t-case running 4.88 gears & 35" Toyo M/T's. Warn small hub kit on the front & a Warn small hub Full floater kit on the rear.

Sounded like a shotgun shot when it broke.

U-joint too...