odds of evolution
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Evidence, proof, no avenue for doubt or question. The goes directly against free will, choice, or the right to discus with one another. If there was undeniable evidence, if the Bible or any other book gave the proof that many are looking for, as soon as anyone questioned it they would fall into judgment. There would be no grace, mercy or what the Bible calls renewing of the mind. It would be instantaneous judgement. As much as people want it, or think that why doesn't it just say it somewhere, well, they really don't realize the outcome of it.
Claims, or what a person might think is a flaw, basically from lack of understanding, is giving creation the ability to chose. We all have that right and desire built in. We have the ability to question, to reason, to gather information, to learn, to make a choice. That is freedom and that is the very principle of life as we know it. Those principles are built in so the creator cannot provide evidence in direct violation of the principles he created.
Hebrews 1:3 he upholds the universe by the word of his power. What is said and written will be done. There is no changing the mind, ideas or principles in the creator. If there was it would all fall apart.
Claims, or what a person might think is a flaw, basically from lack of understanding, is giving creation the ability to chose. We all have that right and desire built in. We have the ability to question, to reason, to gather information, to learn, to make a choice. That is freedom and that is the very principle of life as we know it. Those principles are built in so the creator cannot provide evidence in direct violation of the principles he created.
Hebrews 1:3 he upholds the universe by the word of his power. What is said and written will be done. There is no changing the mind, ideas or principles in the creator. If there was it would all fall apart.
Your entire thread is dishonest. You should ask ChatGPT instead of reposting a propaganda video.
I am indifferent about what ChatGPT will say at any given moment. Do you really believe the the propaganda video you reposted from Facebook was sincere? As someone who sees no evidence of the supernatural, Jesus deserves better than what you are doing in this thread.
hahahah now your trying to make me feel bad.
Think about Jesus, while we were yet sinners. We didn't even know that we needed a savior, that is how far lost mankind was. He came and gave up his life for mankind.
Think about Jesus, while we were yet sinners. We didn't even know that we needed a savior, that is how far lost mankind was. He came and gave up his life for mankind.
Isaiah 1:18 " Come now and let us reason together "
Unfortunately , sometimes we have to respectfully agree to disagree . Everyone has the Freewill to decide for themselves and to make there own decisions . There is plenty of information available to come to a logical conclusion . One must put aside preconceived ideas and beliefs and give honest study. Love and Freewill are the fundamental basics of God's government .
Unfortunately , sometimes we have to respectfully agree to disagree . Everyone has the Freewill to decide for themselves and to make there own decisions . There is plenty of information available to come to a logical conclusion . One must put aside preconceived ideas and beliefs and give honest study. Love and Freewill are the fundamental basics of God's government .
I'll interject a couple or three pithy comments that will probably piss everybody off...
#1: Have any of you ever thought that the answer to the "supernatural origin" vs. "evolution" debate is "BOTH"?
#2: My "religion" or "spirituality" is my own, and subject to change as I learn more and/or the universe evolves and changes. Therefore, I put huge value on personal experience, and very little value on BOOKs. I have little use for dogma of any kind, and zero use for dogma that insists a BOOK is the end all and be all of spirituality - I don't worship a BOOK. I'm not saying books, or even BOOKs (as the monotheists call them) are without value, but they're not without error or other problems just like any other. For those who have done a modicum of study of the early Christian period, they will know that the adoption of the Nicene creed - among other things - was pure politics. Anything that contradicted that was either changed or removed - hence the genesis of the concept of "Heresy", which is a black evil if there ever was one. Never mind the bloody "Christianization of Europe" or that pair of fiends from Hell, the two emperors Theodosius among others.
#3: I think anyone who doesn't admit to a spiritual world denies their feelings. Conversely, anyone who slavishly follows dogma and/or worships a BOOK, denies reality. Experience the world, physical AND spiritual, through your own lens, not what someone else insists on being the "One TRUE WAY (tm)". As some here know, I recently found a spiritual guide/teacher that I feel I can trust - after a lifetime of seeking for one. Some will ask why I need such. My response is that I'm above all else an auditory learner then want that backed by experience. So far, the relationship has been working well, and my trip to Egypt was the better for it. The BOOK worshipers will fail to understand why this works for me, even though I don't always agree with some of the details - which is as it should be. My teacher, who is also the HPs of a Dianic (women only) coven/circle/group is pretty remarkable if I say so myself. She took me on as an individual student since my tits aren't big enough to be in her group - plus they're doing "graduate level" stuff, and I'm just a freshman anyway! Right now, she's pretty much teaching me the same thing as she is her group, just level-appropriate for my Noviate status. It only took 8 years of knowing each other for either of us to feel comfortable with all this - its something that is NOT entered into lightly, and the student MUST approach the teacher - proselytizing is a filthy word.
This probably makes little sense, so I'll shut up now before I make it worse!
#1: Have any of you ever thought that the answer to the "supernatural origin" vs. "evolution" debate is "BOTH"?
#2: My "religion" or "spirituality" is my own, and subject to change as I learn more and/or the universe evolves and changes. Therefore, I put huge value on personal experience, and very little value on BOOKs. I have little use for dogma of any kind, and zero use for dogma that insists a BOOK is the end all and be all of spirituality - I don't worship a BOOK. I'm not saying books, or even BOOKs (as the monotheists call them) are without value, but they're not without error or other problems just like any other. For those who have done a modicum of study of the early Christian period, they will know that the adoption of the Nicene creed - among other things - was pure politics. Anything that contradicted that was either changed or removed - hence the genesis of the concept of "Heresy", which is a black evil if there ever was one. Never mind the bloody "Christianization of Europe" or that pair of fiends from Hell, the two emperors Theodosius among others.
#3: I think anyone who doesn't admit to a spiritual world denies their feelings. Conversely, anyone who slavishly follows dogma and/or worships a BOOK, denies reality. Experience the world, physical AND spiritual, through your own lens, not what someone else insists on being the "One TRUE WAY (tm)". As some here know, I recently found a spiritual guide/teacher that I feel I can trust - after a lifetime of seeking for one. Some will ask why I need such. My response is that I'm above all else an auditory learner then want that backed by experience. So far, the relationship has been working well, and my trip to Egypt was the better for it. The BOOK worshipers will fail to understand why this works for me, even though I don't always agree with some of the details - which is as it should be. My teacher, who is also the HPs of a Dianic (women only) coven/circle/group is pretty remarkable if I say so myself. She took me on as an individual student since my tits aren't big enough to be in her group - plus they're doing "graduate level" stuff, and I'm just a freshman anyway! Right now, she's pretty much teaching me the same thing as she is her group, just level-appropriate for my Noviate status. It only took 8 years of knowing each other for either of us to feel comfortable with all this - its something that is NOT entered into lightly, and the student MUST approach the teacher - proselytizing is a filthy word.
This probably makes little sense, so I'll shut up now before I make it worse!
Strange how my degree in biblical theology resulted in my ability to disagree with most of that.
I personally don't worship a book. However, it is the constitution to my Kingdom.
it seems to me that you like to dive into spiritualism, spirit world, or supernatural and accept everything you experience. This is honestly dangerous. The Holy Spirit given to us by the Father is the only truthful and just guild as He only speaks what Jesus gives Him. Anything or anyone else who thinks they can navigate their is dangerous. Humans can't even fully understand this world or even each other but yet someone is a guild to the supernatural, dangerous.
Beats relying on a BOOK - and one that has been tampered with besides. I'm sorry, but that's just my feeling on the subject. "Accept everything?" Yes and no. A good analysis with some critical thinking skills and help from someone who knows what they're doing is essential. Your dogma doesn't do it for me in the slightest - in fact, its a huge turn-off.
Ironic that the very thing that you call dogma is what gives you your rights
My Karma ran over your Dogma - or are we back to that tired trope that Christianity invented everything?
The trouble starts when the teachers let slip the historical origins of how the books of the Bible were compiled, translated, re-compliled, re-translated over the years. The teachers also let slip that inconsistencies do exist throughout the text.
Eventually the apologetics do not make sense anymore. The arguments from counter-apologetics become increasingly unavoidable in the face of disinterested academic studies of history without concern if the evidence supports a dogma or not. Explanations of uncertainty that appeal to the supernatural become useless and absurd.
At the end of this story, I no longer see evidence in the supernatural to explain the mysteries of the natural world. If I or anyone else does not know through a lack of evidence, it is best to admit to not knowing until evidence suggests otherwise.
FYI, your entire response is nothing but your own BOOK.
Nothing in your post makes me angry or otherwise.
Then you understand why it is absolutely bizarre to revolve your life around a middle eastern Bronze Age tribal deity that was borrowed from other multiple contemporary tribal deities, then repurposed into a first century acopolytic cult, before it was repurposed as a way to consolidate power in Europe after the fall of the Roman empire. The fact that this belief has persisted into America to become the abomination that is evangelical Christianity is both fascinating and terrifying.