Self Sufficiency

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Anyone else here into being self sufficient?

I started looking into this back in the early '90's when I was working in IT as a Business Systems Analyst. I noticed how truly fragile all of the systems that I looked at were. There were single points of failure everywhere in even the best designed and managed systems. That got me looking into non-IT related systems, where I found the same issue was prevalent as well. There were no robust, survivable systems out there!

I lived on top of a hill at the time in Portland's West Hills among the more well to do upper middle class citizenry. We had a snow storm that blew through and basically made travel a little inconvenient for about three days. As the storm approached, the news blared doom and gloom with warnings of travel difficulties and danger. My neighbors just freaked out. The wife and I were good to go, having everything necessary to go for several weeks already stocked on the shelves in the garage. When the storm blew in, we decided to go for a little drive to check things out. Stopped by an elderly neighbors house to see how she was doing and she was good to go. Decided to pop into the local grocery store to check that out. Wow! Respectable ladies from the neighborhood fighting over the last gallon of 2% milk, and all of that. It was for the children, you know. It was an eye opener to be sure. It took the grocery store two days or so to get a truck up the hill to restock the shelves. The neighbors were just absolutely freaked out the whole time. The common theme was "Somebody should do something!". "What about the babies?!!!"

Made the decision right then and there that I was NOT going to be a member of the lowing herd any longer. Thought back on all of the things that my Dad and granddads tried to tell me and show me as I was growing up, and realized that the family had a tradition of self sufficiency going back years and generations. All I needed to do was tap into that tradition and move forward. The granddads had been gone for a decade or more, but there was Mom and Dad and all of their wisdom and knowledge. It was then, listening to the stories around the dinner table, that I realized just how cagey and wise my family elders were. I started paying attention and making mental notes. And asking some very pointed questions!

Anyone else been there and done that?
 
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Self-sufficient? Isn't that just having a job, savings, a place to live, and not relying on anyone else?

Haha... Kidding. Self-sufficient among this modern generation is a big deal though since most kids these days are barely able to achieve it.

On a more serious note though, I've been thinking I am going to invest in a generator for the house. You know, just incase...
 
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Self-sufficient? Isn't that just having a job, savings, a place to live, and not relying on anyone else?

Haha... Kidding. Self-sufficient among this modern generation is a big deal though since most kids these days are barely able to achieve it.

On a more serious note though, I've been thinking I am going to invest in a generator for the house. You know, just incase...

You'd think, huh? Most of the kids (18 - 25 or so) that I run into these days in a work environment are just bloody lucky to show up four days out of five clean, sober and ready to work.

I started out making a list of lists. What was most likely to disrupt my normal flow of life? What could I do to minimize any disruptions? What skill do I lack and how do I acquire them? What if lists and notes are great to stay focused and make good progress with no waste.

Think it through Chris. What are you getting a generator for? What's the planned load? How long are you planning on running it? What are you going to do when the neighbors show up and want to share your electricity?

I found a couple of books that I just love on small scale farming...I suck right now at growing food. It's getting better though, and once I find a chunk o' property that will work and that I can afford, it'll get better. Never knew how to properly butcher game or food animals, found a book on that. Started hunting and butchering my own meat. Never knew exactly how to properly can stuff. Got a Ball Blue Book and started canning fruits and vegetables.

After much consideration, I'm heading towards modern homesteading.

By the way, a TJ is almost perfect for a Modern Homesteader as a general use vehicle.
 
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Check out these two books: The Self-Sufficient Life and How to Live It by John Seymour and The Encyclopedia of Country Living by Carla Emery. Modify what they talk about to meet your circumstances and needs. I've got a whole bunch more on the list as well. Those two will get you started on what to think about though.
 
The real question is do I have time to think about it with everything I have going on. A 3 year old daughter in ballet, gymnastics and pre-school. Another daughter on the way (due in April) who already has a kidney issue (can't wait for hospital bills).

Work, projects, this site... It never ends! Still, it's something I'd like to look into more no doubt. Finding the time is just difficult.

One might wonder why someone who has very little time is on a forum killing time... Well, I'm not killing time, I just toggle back-and-forth between the forum and work (since I work on my computer anyways!).
 
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Living in Upper Michigan my whole life, I've hunted, fished, cut and burned my own firewood. I heat with natural gas now, but still have a wood stove in the basement ready to go.
A lot of hard work goes with self-suffiencey, but I still could do it if need be.

There is a lot of time, effort and sweat that goes into it, that's for sure. I have a couple of friends and some acquaintances who are self sufficient to varying degrees. They don't have much down time. But they do eat well and aren't dependent on much of anyone else besides their friends, family and neighbors. They all have the basics covered in detail. Food, water and a roof over their heads. It looks like no matter what happens they all will have at least that.
 
The real question is do I have time to think about it with everything I have going on. A 3 year old daughter in ballet, gymnastics and pre-school. Another daughter on the way (due in April) who already has a kidney issue (can't wait for hospital bills).

Work, projects, this site... It never ends! Still, it's something I'd like to look into more no doubt. Finding the time is just difficult.

One might wonder why someone who has very little time is on a forum killing time... Well, I'm not killing time, I just toggle back-and-forth between the forum and work (since I work on my computer anyways!).

I feel for you Chris, it's part of being a man and a father though. You do what needs doing. Maybe you are as self sufficient as you can get right now. No one can make that call for you, that's for sure.
 
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Yep, that's how I feel. Maybe when I have some more time on my hands and the kids are a bit older.
 
My family is, aside from the computer for this business, and a track phone for the IT Computer repair and networking business, totally self-sustainable. We have two years worth of food. Extra clothes and other supplies. Wood cooking and heating (no eletric cooking at all). Enough canning jars and spare lids to put up three years worth of food. Enough seeds (self harvested the last two years of growth), raised beds, a river on the property, solar powered DC pump with gravity feed to the gardens, to last forever. What we have in the freezer could be thawed and canned up in a two day period (includng meats; which are very little).

An example:

Thanksgiving two years ago the power was out for 4 hours and we didn't know it. Bird was in the oven along with the dressing and some other stuff. The only way we knew was that our daughter went to play a music cd and said it wouldn't work. Boom! Powers is out. Break out the gen to fire up the frig. Good to go again.

I know, I know. What happens when the power goes out for good. No worries. We have bees and candle making supplies to last at least 10 years. We also make all our own soaps, healing salves, grow all our own herbs, can make asprin from the willow trees on the property. Have fruit trees galore. Two greenhouses. Walnut orchards within 10 mins walk around us. Blackberry bushes and grape vinyards everywhere so I can make wine with the 300 bottles I have saved............. ON and on. Sometimes I just wish they would hack the grid and be done with it. Oh! Not to mention that we have hand powered blenders, miliing machine for flour, hand tools for repairs and building, axes, a 6' two man buck saw. Damn. Fingers are getting sore and there is so much more. Edit: More now. Alpacas for clothing using their fiber and either felting cloth or spinning with our wheel and crocheting or knitting it. Chicks for eggs... fourth generation of onions and garlic already in the ground now. A huge bed of asparagus. Enough already Allen stop typing.. :)

Allen

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We are just too spoilt. History is full of lean years when everyone was always a bit hungry. A storm? Less than a week with shortages? Even if you live in a high-rise with 800 other people..

City folk vs Country folk. I love living rural, we get the odd power outage every few months... can last from 4 hours to 4 days. On the 4 day outages you do need to plan... The nearest gas station on a different grid is an hour away. Same for groceries.

LED headlamps, Candles, WoodStove... well stocked liquor cabinet. Start eating the perishables first... Triscuits last. Find the crib board. Doom & Gloom?.... read a book.
 
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