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Transmission overheating, need some advice

TJMexico

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(2005 X model, 6cyl, Stock 4-speed automatic transmission (overdrive), all stock except for 3" lift and 31" tires.)

I’ve written elsewhere about the trip I took this week. I started out at about 500 feet above sea level, got over 5,500 by the time I got to where I was going. This was in less than 50 miles and entailed three or four peaks with drops between them. Ambient temperature was moderate, drove most of the day with the windows down and A/C off.

In the first half of the trip, there is a long, steep climb over some real rough road (rocks-some big, some deep washouts, lots of curves). That part of the road goes from about 450m to over 1500m in less than 20km, so we're talking a climb of well over 3000 feet in less than 12 miles.

This shows my elevation over distance. The steep climb started at about 32km.
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This is speed over time (km/h); over two hours to make the 50km (30 miles). The first fifteen minutes were on pavement, then we jumped off. The road was pretty good for the first 40 minutes or so, was able to haul ass. The dirt got rough after the 45 minute mark. I was seldom doing 30kph (shy of 20mph) once I got into the ugly stuff, then I slowed down at the top as we got close to the town. [A trick for converting km to mi: divide by half then add 10% of the original. So, 60kph is (30+6)mph. 50kph is (25+5)mph.]
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I’ve never driven that kind of road in this kind of vehicle. Always had manual transmissions before. (My old Russian UAZ 469 was a dream on these kinds of roads.)

Going up, I honestly took it pretty aggressively; probably too aggressively. Kept up a pretty good pace and just left the transmission do its thing in DRIVE. There were times when it did seem like it was straining. I probably should have slowed down. The transmission got really hot before we got to the top.

Once at the top, we stopped to visit some friends for a couple of hours. On arrival, I checked the fluid and it looked OK. Didn’t smell funky, wasn’t foamy or anything. There was one oddity, though; when I put it back into DRIVE to pull up into the driveway, there was an initial short grinding sound – just for a fraction of a second. Every time I'd slip it into drive it'd do this before it even rolled. Once the tranny cooled down and we got underway, it didn’t do that again. Scared the snot out of me, though.

So, my question to those who might be more experienced in driving conditions like this with an automatic tranny is, what’s the best way to make a climb like this?

Should I slow it down, keep it in 1st and 2nd gear and just crawl up at a slower pace? It seems to me that that would have worked better for my transmission.

Also, is there any way to monitor the transmission temperature? Somewhere to plug in a sensor?

And any idea what would mechanically cause that frightening grinding sound?
 
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All good ideas. We've shipped from the states a few times, mostly documents. It's pricey but doable, though sometimes customs is dicey for products.

Amazon ships here through Amazon Mexico. I'll look there.

I have a friend in the city who runs a top-notch automatic transmission shop. That's all he does. Used to work for a dealership, then went out on his own. I'll check with him to see if he can get and install the temperature sensor.

I do have a cooler, but I'll look into something more heavy-duty.
 

Question: Would I need that pan with the sending unit to attach the temp gauge? Is there no sending unit integral to the transmission? That looks to be the case.

Shipping that here might be cost-prohibitive. But then, burning up a transmission is, too, so there's that.

Again, I'm wondering if my transmission guy could install one on a pan himself. I'll see if I can contact him soon to see what he says.
 
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Making sure overdrive is turned off and possibly leaving it in 1 or 2 would help it to not slip the converter under load as much and make heat
 
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Looking through Amazon Mexico's offerings, I see lots of fans. Maybe just installing a fan over my existing cooler would help.
 
Making sure overdrive is turned off and possibly leaving it in 1 or 2 would help it to not slip the converter under load as much and make heat

This is what I was thinking.

I do turn O/D off once I get off of the highway.

Also, would going up in 4lo help the transmission? Would it be easier on the tranny to drop into 4lo and go up the mountain in 2nd or 3rd gear, or is high range better for the tranny? In third gear and 4lo, my revs stay in the same or slightly lower range as pushing it in 2nd gear in high and it seems like I don't feel the strain.
 
Question: Would I need that pan with the sending unit to attach the temp gauge?
Yes, you need the sender port in the pan. The sending unit comes with the gauge.
Is there no sending unit integral to the transmission?
not an external one that I'm aware of
I'm wondering if my transmission guy could install one on a pan himself.
He could silver braze one on your pan. Just make sure he uses the appropriate sender port and places it in the appropriate location.
 
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This is what I was thinking.

I do turn O/D off once I get off of the highway.

Also, would going up in 4lo help the transmission? Would it be easier on the tranny to drop into 4lo and go up the mountain in 2nd or 3rd gear, or is high range better for the tranny? In third gear and 4lo, my revs stay in the same or slightly lower range as pushing it in 2nd gear in high and it seems like I don't feel the strain.

I have a temp gauge,and have noticed when I’m in 4low the trans temps cool way down(I guess because you are using the t-case)but you definitely need to have your buddy weld in an auto meter bung and get a gauge on the thing.
 
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I have a temp gauge,and have noticed when I’m in 4low the trans temps cool way down(I guess because you are using the t-case)but you definitely need to have your buddy weld in an auto meter bung and get a gauge on the thing.

I'll work on the temp gauge idea. Will have to speak with him.

What you said about being in 4low, that's what I suspected. Riding my mountain bike, it's much easier on my legs going uphill in a lower gear. I suspect the same is happening with the tranny and engine.

Maybe a good analogy is that the transfer case would be like the rear derailleur, the transmission like the front derailleur, and the engine like my legs. Having the rear derailleur in a low gear makes the load on my legs easier and even eases the strain on the intermediary unit, the front derailleur.

I think next time I make the trip. I'll try leaving it in 4low on the way up that pass. I did use 4low a lot more coming back. There is a good climb out of the village to the highest peak on the trail over some very rough surface, and I was in low range that whole way out. Seemed to run a lot more smoothly and have less strain.

As I said previously, running in 3rd gear in low range spins my engine at same or lower RPMs than running in second in high range going about the same speed. Makes sense that it'd be overall easier on the entire drivetrain. That's the main thing I was trying to sort out here, but the recommendations re. a temp sensor and a cooler (or cooler fan) have been good.
 
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