Maybe I missed what you're trying do but if you're trying to get it to stop sliding back and forth in the tube, could the tube be cut down shorter so it touches the caps?
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You missed the part where there are two tubes that slide into each other snugly which is what telescoping refers to. They have high density foam inside at each cap, the tubes are then forced together with me leaning against them with one end against a wall so the foam to is compressed to prevent movement.
It’s likely the end of the tube banging into the floor deforming the cardboard which makes the cap come out, not the tie rod battering the cap.
Use the standard metal shipping plugs then wrap the heck out of both ends with plastic wrap. Then tape the Saran Wrap to the tube.
I work at a camper dealership, when they ship awnings to us in tubes this is the only method that they arrive 100% of the time with the caps still on.
You can do inner or outer caps doing this. The Saran Wrap works because it is flexible and stays put when deformed.
You’re over engineering this shit. Wrap it up and ship it out!
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Yep, don’t get me started on UPS losing 4 custom tuned Fox shocks 6 weeks before heading to the Rubicon, and the shocks were on national back order. Took a little black magic to get me out of that one. My lost shocks and my back ordered shocks all showed up like 12 weeks later looking like the were drug behind the the truck not riding in it. UPS claim denied!! Not even a “ sorry for the inconvenience “…..
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I'm actually not but I will make a deal with you. If you promise to cover every lost part, customer complaint, and pay for the replacements and deal with the shipping hassle including filing the claims and tracking the refunds that show up when they feel like it, then I will do it your way and ignore all of my testing that is fully contrary and predicts an entirely different result than you are suggesting will happen.
Here are the results of my testing.
First of the metal end cap as they come to us.
I have a 12" high mark on the packing bench leg. This is one drop from 12" with the tie rod centered on the cap. You can see significant deformation and the cap has moved toward the end of the tube a fair bit.
Second drop from 12". Far more deformation of the cap and now if it tags something while laying flat, it will likely punch the end cap out completely. Worse, the end of the cap is very sharp and will easily slice through any tape or plastic that I attempt to restrain the cap with.
The tubes are heavy enough and then some, I just need to find a way to mechanically restrain the end caps.
Get a cap that mounts on the outer diameter flipped around so the sharp edges are facing the middle.
It has no chance to cut the plastic wrap then. Honestly tho, if you wrapped it thick enough there is no way an ID cap would cut through.
When I say wrap it up I’m mean so much wrap the only way to remove the wrap is to cut it off with a sharp knife
. Wrap it THICK
I’ll see if I can get a picture on Monday big guy.
It has no chance to cut the plastic wrap then. Honestly tho, if you wrapped it thick enough there is no way an ID cap would cut through.
When I say wrap it up I’m mean so much wrap the only way to remove the wrap is to cut it off with a sharp knife
. Wrap it THICKI’ll see if I can get a picture on Monday big guy.
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They aren't dropping your awning packages on the ends there big guy. You act like I don't ship heavy shit daily and have it arrive with a 99.99% success rate.Get a cap the mounts on the outer diameter flipped around so the sharp edges are facing the middle.
It has no chance to cut the plastic wrap then. Honestly tho, if you wrapped it thick enough there is no way an ID cap would cut through.
When I say wrap it up I’m mean so much wrap the only way to remove the wrap is to cut it off. Wrap it THICK
I’ll see if I can get a picture on Monday big guy.
yes they do. They throw them of off the back of trucks onto pavement end over end, drop pallets on them, drag them across parking lots , etc
I’ve seen it. They deliver it right in front of me , “here’s your piece of shit $2000 dollar 20 ft awning, let me just flip it out of the truck end over end onto the pavement, whoops end popped off. Sign here goober.”
Any package that can’t be stacked on a skid during shipment is gonna get abused in handling.
All I’m saying is that I’ve seen what works and what doesn’t with regards to heavy things shipped in tubes.
You could also use duct tape to wrap the ends but it will be a higher cost.
Why you trying to fuck this donkey so hard?
You're a thorough guy @mrblaine, but in case you haven't seen em, the guys in brown publish guidelines for shipping by their brown army of gorillas.
https://www.organsupply.com/assets/Help-Center-Instructions/UPS-Shipping-Guidelines.pdf
https://www.organsupply.com/assets/Help-Center-Instructions/UPS-Shipping-Guidelines.pdf
Yeah, that’s just for legal reasons so they can deny your claim when they destroy your package. Denied because you used 4 pieces of tape instead the 5 even tho our guy ran it over with a forklift.
The only way to know for certain is to package it and try to simulate shipping abuse like what Blaine is already doing.
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Your forum "identifier" say useful idiot. I get the idiot part...what about this is useful?
I've designed packaging, working with UPS to make sure they (and I) understand what the end result should be (that the customer receives their product undamaged). They will work with you. They don't want insurance claims either...
Ouch, right in the feels.
This I know. I’ve worked with a ups rep in such a manor as well. But they’re recommendation is always to overpack it. Use more cardboard, tape, stuffing. Packaging gets expensive. And even when we jumped through their hoops they still denied claims saying improper packing. So that’s a rabbit hole.
Can you punch the inside of the cap into the tube so it bites into the tube if forced out?
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Crossdrill the tube a couple of inches from each end and slide in a dowel or aluminum bar stock, cut to the diameter of the tube. Tape in place with strapping tape. Metal caps will never see the load. Also, not sure of the diameter of the link, but it could be slid inside of a PVC pipe with the ends glued on. Yes, glued on. Put some foam in each cap to act as an absorber. Then that goes in the cardboard tube. The tubes are slid together for the dowel to come into contact PVC caps or even ad some foam on the outside of the PVC caps. Its a minimal amount of extra work, weight, and cost, but pass that to the customer. Just a suggestion.
Old_Crow
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All arguments aside, when I used to have my restoration shop we would get stuff in tubes all the time. The ones that seemed to arrive in the best shape had end caps like your new tubes, but they had 2 or 3 heavy gauge staples through the tube into the flange on the cap. I think that would provide enough additional resistance to movement of the cap.
As far as the sharp ends of the tie rod tearing the metal caps...perhaps cutting the tops off of the PBR cans, filling the cans with that expandable foam insulation and then jamming a can on the end of each tie rod before putting it in the tube would spread the force enough to prevent tearing.
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I'm going to go out on a limb here and figure you missed fully why I'm having folks post up how their packages arrived. Now, kindly fuck off or take me up on my offer to handle all the bullshit when the shipping problems arise.
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If you look at the test I did, you will notice that as the center deforms, it pulls the rim inward away from the tube which loosens the press fit and allows it to move easier.
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It would take at least 3 dowels since the tie rod is 1 1/4" in diameter, x 2 tubes, = you need to show me how to do that fast.
The PVC will shatter if they drop it.