Poison Spyder Fully Welded Cage

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Recently swapped out my factory roll bar for a poison spyder fully welded cage. I was impressed on how well it fit. i will admit I was a little nervous, but it fit perfect. No tweaking needed. It is a big PITA though. I checked for fit, then pulled it out to rattle can it. reinstalled using factory seat belts. I bought some rear speaker pods for 03 and up, but they would not fit at all.
I was able to trim up my existing rear speaker bar and it actually fit fairly well. I will say the new cage is rock solid.

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My buddy has one and I think they look great. Thankfully he hasn’t had to test it but it looks like it would hold up. I have a rock hard bolt in cage which I feel is better than nothing.
 
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Looks great

Reading from the list of WranglerTjforum things not to do….

#18 - call anything a cage that is not a fully boxed life saving device that could save you from a 100ft shelf road cliff

To avoid headaches, sports bars, upgraded roll bar supports, sports bar
 
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IPerkWVU said:
#18 - call anything a cage that is not a fully boxed life saving device that could save you from a 100ft shelf road cliff
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It's your life, feel free to treat it with any level of disdain that blows your fucking skirt up. I do not understand why folks feel the need to be sarcastic little bitches about matters of safety and life over something so simple and basic.
 
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IPerkWVU said:
Looks great

Reading from the list of WranglerTjforum things not to do….

#18 - call anything a cage that is not a fully boxed life saving device that could save you from a 100ft shelf road cliff

To avoid headaches, sports bars, upgraded roll bar supports, sports bar
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I have dipped my toe in the Rabbit Hole that are the NHRA cage rules.
 
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I honestly have never been able to determine what the best setup is for a wrangler. If it’s just street driven, obviously the stock cage that the engineers designed and crash tested is the better choice. If the Jeep is strictly used for trail riding then a beefier cage would be better (Maybe?)

I guess a cage that could do it all would cost way more due to all the crash testing and R&D that would be needed to certify it for all scenarios.
 
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Lax22 said:
I honestly have never been able to determine what the best setup is for a wrangler. If it’s just street driven, obviously the stock cage that the engineers designed and crash tested is the better choice. If the Jeep is strictly used for trail riding then a beefier cage would be better (Maybe?)

I guess a cage that could do it all would cost way more due to all the crash testing and R&D that would be needed to certify it for all scenarios.
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What are your thoughts about building the entire cage out of plate like what we see on the A pillar? Would that be ok?
 
Lax22 said:
I honestly have never been able to determine what the best setup is for a wrangler. If it’s just street driven, obviously the stock cage that the engineers designed and crash tested is the better choice. If the Jeep is strictly used for trail riding then a beefier cage would be better (Maybe?)

I guess a cage that could do it all would cost way more due to all the crash testing and R&D that would be needed to certify it for all scenarios.
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My thoughts exactly, and why for now I'm sticking with the factory roll bars. If my Jeep is a trailer Queen someday and I am doing more hardcore stuff with a higher likelihood of rollovers, then a cage makes sense. I am very open to new information and changing my mind, though. I just don't know enough to alter the factory design right now, not while it is street driven.
 
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What are your thoughts about building the entire cage out of plate like what we see on the A pillar? Would that be ok?
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The obvious answer is no, building an entire cage from plate steel would not be safe or acceptable. I really cannot say what the best way is to handle the A pillar. I’m running a bolt in sport cage and stock roll bar, so Its probably only slightly better than nothing, but I could be wrong. I’m also not educated enough to comment and say one works better than the other. I have only seen one flop on the trail involving a Jeep with a sport cage tied into the stock roll bar, and it seemed to hold up.
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If I were to build a cage from scratch I would not use the plate cage stanchions, I would go through the dash with a piece of tube and right to the floor. Then tie the A and B pillar to the frame in some way. I’ve read that ideally you would want the seats tied into the cage as well? One thing I do find interesting is that the stock cage looks to be made from schedule 40 pipe. When I cut the rear sections from a project Jeep that had rolled, I could clearly see the seam. This raises another question, would you build a cage from schedule 40 instead of DOM tube😅.
 
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Cage looks good. I have the poison spyder also. If you want the 03 and up speaker pods to work get a heat gun. The only thing I don't like about it is the bar that goes across behind the rear seat. I'm 6ft and I let my daughter drive through a rough trail and all I did was bounce my head off that bar.
 
dcoop said:
Cage looks good. I have the poison spyder also. If you want the 03 and up speaker pods to work get a heat gun. The only thing I don't like about it is the bar that goes across behind the rear seat. I'm 6ft and I let my daughter drive through a rough trail and all I did was bounce my head off that bar.
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What bar behind the rear seat? Attached to the Sport cage? If there's one there someone added it, there is no bar behind the back seat in a stock TJ.
 
Jerry Bransford said:
What bar behind the rear seat? Attached to the Sport cage? If there's one there someone added it, there is no bar behind the back seat in a stock TJ.
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comes in the kit. and their alignment etchings place it pretty high.

i did and image search fro wrecked or flopped rigs with this kit in it and nothin popped up but generic stuff about the kit itself
 
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Lax22 said:
The obvious answer is no, building an entire cage from plate steel would not be safe or acceptable. I really cannot say what the best way is to handle the A pillar.
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Why would the solution for the A pillar vary from the B and C pillars? The only reason the A pillar is done that way is for convenience and sales. It isn't done that way for good strength, sound engineering or any other aspect you wish to lay out there that promotes safety.
Lax22 said:
I’m running a bolt in sport cage and stock roll bar, so Its probably only slightly better than nothing, but I could be wrong. I’m also not educated enough to comment and say one works better than the other. I have only seen one flop on the trail involving a Jeep with a sport cage tied into the stock roll bar, and it seemed to hold up.
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If I were to build a cage from scratch I would not use the plate cage stanchions, I would go through the dash with a piece of tube and right to the floor. Then tie the A and B pillar to the frame in some way. I’ve read that ideally you would want the seats tied into the cage as well? One thing I do find interesting is that the stock cage looks to be made from schedule 40 pipe. When I cut the rear sections from a project Jeep that had rolled, I could clearly see the seam. This raises another question, would you build a cage from schedule 40 instead of DOM tube😅.
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Doesn't matter much if you do or don't tie the seats in. I'd have no issue building a cage from SCH 40. It would certainly be stronger and safer than trusting your life to a couple of pieces of 1 1/2" x 1 1/2" bent angle.
 
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