Finding the tipping point?

Did you have a change of underwear with you? Maybe some wipes? Always keep wipes around. ;)

I've been watching the 24h hell and back series recently and Rory from Trail Mater had a great line where he said something to the effect of: knowing your rigs capabilities comes from years and years of experience... Of flipping it.
 
Here's a video of me nearly discovering the tipping point on my TJ, this was my first time taking it out after I bought it.

https://photos.app.goo.gl/AtHJBedmQtgcvDax7

@PNW_LJ had a recent close call similar to that...looks sketchy as all hell but I feel like someone more experienced than me has a trick up their sleeve to get out of it. My first gut instinct would have been to cut the wheels in the opposite direction of the tire that's in the air but I don't really know if or why that would help unless that would make the right front climb.
 
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@PNW_LJ had a recent close call similar to that...looks sketchy as all hell but I feel like someone more experienced than me has a trick up their sleeve to get out of it. My first gut instinct would have been to cut the wheels in the opposite direction of the tire that's in the air but I don't really know if or why that would help unless that would make the right front climb.

I wouldn't have taken that line. I'd have started more driver and turned hard passenger before going off the ledge so my tires both dropped at the same time (if possible).

If I was feeling like the back end was coming over I'd have likely throttled out of that one.

Easy to say watching the video as an expert at armchair quarterbacking.
 
@PNW_LJ had a recent close call similar to that...looks sketchy as all hell but I feel like someone more experienced than me has a trick up their sleeve to get out of it. My first gut instinct would have been to cut the wheels in the opposite direction of the tire that's in the air but I don't really know if or why that would help unless that would make the right front climb.

In my situation it all happened very quickly. From a controlled descent to almost flopping took 1 second.

I think the best action if you really think you’re going over is to gas it. When it happened to me, I panicked and stomped on the brakes. That won’t happen next time.
 
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In my situation it all happened very quickly. From a controlled descent to almost flopping took 1 second.

I think the best action if you really think you’re going over is to gas it. When it happened to me, I panicked and stomped on the brakes. That won’t happen next time.

Well unless you're facing uphill...then it might not be the best idea
 
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The tipping point varies depending on too many factors to say it will tip at x degrees. Speed, tire pressure, traction, tire traction, center-of-gravity point, track-width, wheel width, if you're also turning and which direction are you turning, etc. I'd also say 6" of suspension lift is more than is needed for 35" tires and unnecessarily raises your COG (center of gravity) making it more prone to tip than would be with a slightly lower suspension lift height.

This is mine with nothing more than a 4" suspension lift plus a 1" body lift with 35's. That suspension lift and body lift combination also gives a lower COG than you'd have with a 5" suspension lift and no body lift and way less than if it had a 6" suspension lift.

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But OP, no matter what you do, you won’t be as good looking as Jerry. We’ve tried and failed.
 
I always ask people when they do that if they can bench press 5,000lbs. They look at me strange and then the light bulb goes off.

I like the guys going down the road with one arm out the window ahold of the mattress on top.

“ I got this”

Yeah. Sure you do.
 
But OP, no matter what you do, you won’t be as good looking as Jerry. We’ve tried and failed.

Is that why you stole his pic for your avatar and won't give it back? I'd like to see the wheel off, death duck on the bumper pic for your new avatar, Make sure @John Cooper approves it before you do though because I think he loosened your lug nuts for a cool photo.;)
 
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Funny trail name, I used to work for Ma Bell about a hundred years ago right after getting out of the military lol.

It's a trail that follows an old telephone line cut in the woods. Lots of ledges, loose dirt and gravel. You can still see where the old poles were as they just cut them flush with the ground. It's a short in and back out trail but there's not much up here in the Northeast so we play where we can.
 
Here's a video of me nearly discovering the tipping point on my TJ, this was my first time taking it out after I bought it.

https://photos.app.goo.gl/AtHJBedmQtgcvDax7

That's a great example of what Jerry said earlier. Flopping or rolling will depend on a lot of things. If you were going slightly faster and hit your brakes, you would have gone over. There are too many scenarios on just that little area that could have happened.
 
I like the guys going down the road with one arm out the window ahold of the mattress on top.

“ I got this”

Yeah. Sure you do.

Is that a common sight in Alabama? :unsure:

I saw a couple of guys doing that with a blown up pool last summer. Driver and passenger both holding tight around 35. IDK how far they went, but I watched them for about a 1/8th mile. :LOL:
 
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I wouldn't have taken that line. I'd have started more driver and turned hard passenger before going off the ledge so my tires both dropped at the same time (if possible).

If I was feeling like the back end was coming over I'd have likely throttled out of that one.

Easy to say watching the video as an expert at armchair quarterbacking.

You're correct on both accounts, I totally botched the line on this one, being my first time out in the TJ I didn't realize that the shorter wheelbase makes it more susceptible to tipping. I think I could've made it down the ledge without my buddy's assistance if I'd turned passenger and throttle quickly out of it rather than tip toing down it.

I ran the trail again a few months later and took the better line going wide left and made it down that ledge with no drama or assistance needed.