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you can definitely see the cyclic fell in his lap, (flight control between the legs that manipulates the main rotor disc) awesome recovery.
probably didn’t have the friction set properly and was assuming he could let go for a second.
it didn’t look like their were any controls in the left seat, which was my initial thought someone else moved the controls.
probably didn’t have the friction set properly and was assuming he could let go for a second.
it didn’t look like their were any controls in the left seat, which was my initial thought someone else moved the controls.
speeding_infraction
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Thought you'd know something about it.
I saw people saying that it could be a stub that was kicked for the left seat but that'd be crazy IMO.
This gif shows it looks like it was all to do with the PIC. Glad he was able to recover it.
View: https://x.com/RealAaronBerg/status/2076501698802024502?s=20
https://www.azfamily.com/2026/07/13/multiple-hikers-rescued-same-trail-camelback-mountain-phoenix/
Around 10 a.m., technical rescue teams from the Phoenix Fire Department were called to Camelback Mountain’s Echo Canyon Trailhead for reports of a hiker experiencing a heat-related emergency. Crews made their way up the trail and were evaluating the man when they were notified of a second hiker in heat-related distress further up the mountain.
Team members assisted both hikers down the trail. The two men were reevaluated by paramedics at the base of the mountain and refused transport to the hospital.
After crews cleared the area, rescue teams were called back to the Echo Canyon Trailhead around 11:45 a.m. when a hiker reported he had run out of water about three-quarters of the way up the trail.
Around 10 a.m., technical rescue teams from the Phoenix Fire Department were called to Camelback Mountain’s Echo Canyon Trailhead for reports of a hiker experiencing a heat-related emergency. Crews made their way up the trail and were evaluating the man when they were notified of a second hiker in heat-related distress further up the mountain.
Team members assisted both hikers down the trail. The two men were reevaluated by paramedics at the base of the mountain and refused transport to the hospital.
After crews cleared the area, rescue teams were called back to the Echo Canyon Trailhead around 11:45 a.m. when a hiker reported he had run out of water about three-quarters of the way up the trail.
i had a standardization Pilot who would slap the controls if he ever saw us remove our hands from the controls.
coming off a ridge line and going light in the seat because you’ve entered a 3500FPM decent. you learn to never trust taking your hands off the controls.
that close up you can see the pilot is not holding the cyclic. and with no friction it will move like a loose noodle
and the references never stop no matter how old pilots get @speeding_infraction
We went hiking on a couple trails in Bryce Canyon when it was 106 F. I took a 3 L backpack bladder and 4 small frozen bottles to keep my snacks cool. The kids and wife had 2L camelbacks.
We took a cooler with frozen waterbottles in the car for after and I half froze our water bladders and topped them with water before we left because I like cool water and the ice feels good on your back in the heat.
Our friends who went with us each took a warm water bottle from the plastic wrap in their trunk.
People amaze me sometimes. I guess I could have gotten lost or something and ran out of water after a day or two. My chocolate coated protein bars would have gotten nasty too.
KennethS
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Yeah, I saw an interview on the news this morning one of the groups was from Chicago.
"run out of water about three-quarters of the way up the trail."
He should have turned around long before he ran out of water.
Kind of like taking the jeep on an out and back trail and burning 3/4's of a tank of fuel on the way out and leaving a 1/4 tank for the return trip.
Search said it's 2.7 miles round trip. Did I find the wrong one? If acclimated to the heat one should be able to do that without carrying any water. Not saying you shouldn't have water just in case, just that reasonably fit people can go 3 miles without dying of thirst, even when it's hot.
Obviously they weren't used to the heat and should have turned back sooner for that reason.
It was 97° by 5 am and not flat.
I’d be surprised if they were experienced and even in shape.
Yeah the heat there is something else. I'm just old-man railing against today's "you must carry water if you're going to leave the yard" attitude.
Standard practice for people running MARATHONS before the 60s was to not drink ANYTHING during the race. I couldn't do that, because I can't run a marathon. But anyways, Gatorade was invented the the push for hydration began, and you know what happen? A lot more marathon runners started dying during races.
literally everything I know about flying a helicopter has come from the past 3 minutes in this thread, but it boggles my mind that a control like that wouldn't be self-centering by default.
I already wouldn't get in one of those things, now I'm even more certain of it. Hope I never need a helicopter rescue 'cause it's gonna have to be pretty bad to be worse than the stress I'll experience getting into an aircraft that seems designed to crash.
That trail is 100% near vertical boulder hopping. Short, but nasty; very difficult for someone not used to hiking that type of terrain. Add in the heat acclimation (or lack of) and....
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