Has anyone upgraded their TJ with this heavy duty steering kit?

If that is a kinda rant, I don't think I can stay awake long enough to read the novel of a real rant you would write. That said, the common sense part is due to just how many posts there are daily on steering, DW, wobble, toe, caster, where to set what, why to set what where, and just like you showed the simple 5 second step, it would not take much longer than that to check any Jeep specific forum about steering and figure out a whole bunch of what you didn't know. Even if it didn't tell you the answer, only the most willfully ignorant would not discover in very short order that something needs to be adjusted.

Not only that but who looks at that pile of tubes and links with the funny looking threaded ends and no less than 4 threaded sections with large amounts of adjustment and thinks to themselves, "yep, just randomly screw them together and bolt it on and it will be fine". Seriously, how does one arrive at that thought process and not have even just an inkling that maybe, just maybe, something other than it is good to go right out of the box might be in order?

I would offer that a simple litmus test for the common sense part is to ask Steve where he found the info for Moog steering part numbers. If some divine action somehow whisked them into his phone, I take it all back and I'm entirely wrong about everything. If on the other hand, he snagged them out of some thread on a forum somewhere about steering and steering parts, I may not be that far off base and not only is he capable of finding numbers, but also capable of finding the bit about how it ain't good right out of the box.


No, I agree with you Mr B . I didn't take into account reading and rereading all the threads on DW and such so on that account I sorta messed up my own argument there. I guess I just see common sense for some is so far apart as for others. But I guess is some sort of way all the threaded parts going together and such for some may be the same as the way you can now hook a laptop up to your OBD II port and with a couple keystrokes increase the output hp on a car by simply re-tuning the computer and not touching a wrench.


Besides, I use the laser assisted self adjusting tie rod sleeves anyhow to eliminate that last step. Simply remove old parts ,bolt on new one and go !!!

But they are getting hard to find anymore due to very limited production run. :ROFLMAO:
 
Not only that but who looks at that pile of tubes and links with the funny looking threaded ends and no less than 4 threaded sections with large amounts of adjustment and thinks to themselves, "yep, just randomly screw them together and bolt it on and it will be fine". Seriously, how does one arrive at that thought process and not have even just an inkling that maybe, just maybe, something other than it is good to go right out of the box might be in order?


You said it a lot better than I could.
 
No, I agree with you Mr B . I didn't take into account reading and rereading all the threads on DW and such so on that account I sorta messed up my own argument there. I guess I just see common sense for some is so far apart as for others. But I guess is some sort of way all the threaded parts going together and such for some may be the same as the way you can now hook a laptop up to your OBD II port and with a couple keystrokes increase the output hp on a car by simply re-tuning the computer and not touching a wrench.


Besides, I use the laser assisted self adjusting tie rod sleeves anyhow to eliminate that last step. Simply remove old parts ,bolt on new one and go !!!

But they are getting hard to find anymore due to very limited production run. :ROFLMAO:
Well, I'm not really trying to pick on anyone. I'm just a bit baffled that we don't take the time and it isn't much time to ask about things if we aren't sure we know exactly what we are doing. I expect that for things like mirrors and grab handles, I don't expect it for important things like steering and brakes.
 
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We have three kind of people. Those trying to learn, those willing to teach and share, then there are those who are plane old assholes. This is part of life, has been and will be forever. I just feel sorry for the children of the asshole.
 
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Neighbor couldn't get his fancy $10,000 (my estimate. It had actual self colding cupholders - 3 of 'em!) Lawnmower started. So he bought a brand new battery and now it won't even turn over. Asked if I could come and take a look. When I got there he was right. Wouldn't turn over. Did it turn over before the new battery? "Yes. It turned over fine. Just wouldn't run." Whens the last time it ran? "When I put it away last fall." So, let's check out this new battery. The red and black plastic caps were still on the terminal posts. Connector speed wide to fit around them. Didn't you wonder when they wouldn't fit? "Yea, but I read the sticker and it didn't say to take them off." So I took off the plastic covers and reconnected the battery. "Wow, that was easy! You would think they would tell you to take them off." Go get the manual you used when you put it away. "Ok, but we don't need it." Just get it anyway. He comes back and is amazed there are directions for spring time too. Step 1 reconnect battery. Step 2 turn fuel shut off lever to 'on'. Step 3.. Stop there. Did you turn the fuel on? "No, why does that matter? It doesn't run." So I turned the fuel back on. What do you know? Started right up! So for those 10 minutes I got his 1year old battery. The moral of this tale is that common sense ain't so common anymore.
 
That’s true but I don’t feel bad for your neighbor. I now know that I would NEVER trust your neighbor to work on a steering system. I’d also never ask him to start my lawn mower...
 
That’s true but I don’t feel bad for your neighbor. I now know that I would NEVER trust your neighbor to work on a steering system. I’d also never ask him to start my lawn mower...
Agreed. But now he calls me up for every little thing! Once the rototiller was out of gas. Once had to show him how to adjust a chainsaw bar. At least he brought that one to me. But it's better than him blowing himself up.