Steering / track bar hitting G2 Core 44 axle differential cover

[mrblaine]

All I ever see on this forum is that anything other than the Currie steering or the original design steering is a shit system and is gonna cause bad bump steer. And it may be more inherent to causing bumpsteer and death wobble by design. It may not even be the best set up on these little factory axles. However I’ve used one form of crossover style steering or another on a few Jeeps over the years. I’ve never had a problem. I do not however skimp on maintenance or run worn out components. Maybe I’ve just been lucky or in the minority. Who knows. My particular Jeep drives no different with either of these systems that I can feel. I just hate blanket statements with no explanation. I get it you are worshiped here and are a Jeep guru. But I’ll be honest. I get sick of your short comments with people you do not know. I wouldn’t speak that way to you or anyone else. Whether on the web or in person. I’ve Got my full width 1 ton set up on stands in the barn and will be going full hydro so soon enough. Then all of it will be of no difference to me.

It has nothing to do with being worshipped. It has to do with Ackermann angle and why you want it and why not having it causes problems. Ackermann produces a variable radius in turns to keep the two different radii that each tire has to take in synch and proportional to the angle of the knuckle on each side. That keeps the scrub radius correct, stops dartiness at speed on the highway, and improves driving comfort levels.
Ackermann is achieved by drawing a line from the center of each tie rod end at the steering arm on the knuckle through the center of the kingpin axis and having them intersect the center of the rear axle.

The U-turn fucks up Ackermann by moving the tie rod ends inward so that the intersection of the pair of lines is somewhere outside of the tires on the rear axle. If you can't tell the steering is bad, can't hear the tires scrubbing in parking lots, and don't mind the dartiness at speed, then I would recommend you go drive something with good steering so you can learn the difference.

Don't feel special or picked on, I tend to talk to everyone the same way. It's nothing personal.

 

[mrblaine]

I would be surprised if anyone here thought Y link is in any way better than legitimate cross over.

I do because I understand steering and why the Haltenberger was developed.

What is illegitimate crossover?

 

[Rescue6]

It has nothing to do with being worshipped. It has to do with Ackermann angle and why you want it and why not having it causes problems. Ackermann produces a variable radius in turns to keep the two different radii that each tire has to take in synch and proportional to the angle of the knuckle on each side. That keeps the scrub radius correct, stops dartiness at speed on the highway, and improves driving comfort levels.
Ackermann is achieved by drawing a line from the center of each tie rod end at the steering arm on the knuckle through the center of the kingpin axis and having them intersect the center of the rear axle.

The U-turn fucks up Ackermann by moving the tie rod ends inward so that the intersection of the pair of lines is somewhere outside of the tires on the rear axle. If you can't tell the steering is bad, can't hear the tires scrubbing in parking lots, and don't mind the dartiness at speed, then I would recommend you go drive something with good steering so you can learn the difference.

Don't feel special or picked on, I tend to talk to everyone the same way. It's nothing personal.

I appreciate the answer with information to quantity the response. That I respect. I understand that to do that takes valuable time so thanks for that. I’ll agree with you that with the U turn steering I do hear the tires scrub in parking lots for sure. But I’ve never had dartiness with the set up. I removed it and installed the Savvy ultimate kit. The scrubbing in parking lots is a lot less but at speed I have not felt it better or worse as far as dartiness. I’ll admit it does not get daily driven though and doesn’t spend a ton of time on pavement the last ten years. And I don’t expect it to be an ultra responsive great steering vehicle. It’s a Jeep on large tires , a lift , RE long arm front suspension and Genright stretch 4 link rear suspension, Antirocks front and rear and tuned fox 2.0 shocks all around, outboarded in the rear. It drives about as well as I feel it can or should at this point. I’m sure some drive better and a lot drive much worse.its better than any of the ones I run with on a regular basis. And I don’t feel special or picked on. I’m just don’t know why people are short with others for no reason.

 

[L J]

I get it you are worshiped here and are a Jeep guru. But I’ll be honest. I get sick of your short comments with people you do not know. I wouldn’t speak that way to you or anyone else. Whether on the web or in person.

 

[Blackjack]

Hello all, new here from Alaska. I just recently installed a G2 Core 44 into my 05 LJ. I also have a Rock Krawler track bar, Currie CorrectLync steering attached to an AGR box. I am running Metal Cloak short arms and 3.5" dual rate coils, and some 35" MTRs.

Issues I am having, and am hoping for some experience from people that ALSO have the G2 and modified steering in their rigs: My track bar slams the diff cover, the diff cover is a proprietary design with no other options (aside of fabricating my own), the Currie Y link is hitting my diff cover at lock and also hitting the G2 track bar bolt and bracket at lock. The axle is located appropriately under the jeep side to side and fore/aft.

I know there are a ton of options, and I can build all my own stuff no problem, but I want real world experiences from guys who have a similar setup.

My current options are to buy the Teraflex knuckle and steering kit along with their track bar kit. Easy. Or, build all my own components, also very easy to do. What have you done and how do you like it?

I see you finally made it over here. Did you get the pics I sent the other night?

 

[mrblaine]

I’m just don’t know why people are short with others for no reason.

You explained it. I'm not going to spend the time to type that out yet again if someone knows it which is why I put IF YOU UNDERSTAND STEERING which opens the door for an explanation if you don't, keeps it closed if you do.

 

[AK49LJ]

I see you finally made it over here. Did you get the pics I sent the other night?

What platform did you send them on? I am on so many social medias and forums. For now, I ordered a new Rock Krawler track bar with the double sheer bracket that moves the frame side forward and up a smidge. I also ordered a stock pitman arm as well. This will all work for now until I decide on what route for suspension I am going with. Once I do that, I can get rid of this inferior Y link steering.

 

[mrblaine]

I can get rid of this inferior Y link steering.

It is only inferior to those that don't understand steering.

 

[AK49LJ]

It is only inferior to those that don't understand steering.

I am intentionally not going to engage in your replies about steering, for obvious reasons. So, you can continue to attempt to assert that Y link is good steering, but I am not going to engage with you on it. Thank you for your replies.

 

[Blackjack]

What platform did you send them on? I am on so many social medias and forums. For now, I ordered a new Rock Krawler track bar with the double sheer bracket that moves the frame side forward and up a smidge. I also ordered a stock pitman arm as well. This will all work for now until I decide on what route for suspension I am going with. Once I do that, I can get rid of this inferior Y link steering.

Check your messenger. It was a Jeep West bracket using a Rough Country track bar, what looks like a XJ pitman and Currie steering linkage.

 

[DrDmoney]

Now that is the info I was looking for. Tell me, does the tie rod ever contact your diff?? How much room is there between them, with the tires straight? If you do not mind measuring, I would be really appreciative

1” when steering is centered

and 1/4” at full lock.

 

[AK49LJ]

1” when steering is centered
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and 1/4” at full lock.
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You rock man, thanks for your help. That is exactly what I needed. I appreciate you replying, especially considering how similar our setups are.

 

[mrblaine]

I am intentionally not going to engage in your replies about steering, for obvious reasons. So, you can continue to attempt to assert that Y link is good steering, but I am not going to engage with you on it. Thank you for your replies.

Regardless, if you paid attention to the TJ and JK forums, it wasn't until near the end of the model run that posts about DW became common and prevalent. That is due to the Haltenberger linkage (Inverted Y) and it's purposeful break between the two knuckles. Inversely, it wasn't 6 months after the introduction of the JK with its knuckle to knuckle tie rod that promotes DW that posts about DW were common and prevalent. There is no superior aspect to a knuckle to knuckle tie rod that anyone can discern behind the wheel. Don't misinterpret, I build and use them often, but not because they are better.

 

[AK49LJ]

Regardless, if you paid attention to the TJ and JK forums, it wasn't until near the end of the model run that posts about DW became common and prevalent. That is due to the Haltenberger linkage (Inverted Y) and it's purposeful break between the two knuckles. Inversely, it wasn't 6 months after the introduction of the JK with its knuckle to knuckle tie rod that promotes DW that posts about DW were common and prevalent. There is no superior aspect to a knuckle to knuckle tie rod that anyone can discern behind the wheel. Don't misinterpret, I build and use them often, but not because they are better.

Lol (literally).... that’s all I got. .

 

[mrblaine]

Lol (literally).... that’s all I got. .

Which just means you don't understand steering and that's not a bad thing. When we learn something, we think we know a lot. When we learn more, we realize how little we know. That and I saw some steering examples posted up, not exactly what I would ever do.

 

[AK49LJ]

Which just means you don't understand steering and that's not a bad thing. When we learn something, we think we know a lot. When we learn more, we realize how little we know. That and I saw some steering examples posted up, not exactly what I would ever do.

Man, you are quite the arrogant prick, aren’t ya? It’s ok. You’ll move past it eventually, maybe with some age. I cannot believe my post would find such a person on a page like this... it is quite entertaining. Many are laughing. It’s a good time for us.

 

[AK49LJ]

The best part, my dude, is you got on my thread to start shit. Not once did I ask for your inexperienced opinion on my setup. I asked, specifically, for people who have a similar setup to chime in. Got to talking about better steering, which literally everyone knows crossover is 110% more effective in every regard than Y link, and you just couldn’t take it.... you just *had* to be “right”. But really, you look like a fool here. If you’re running around giving these dudes this shit advice for their steering, I feel horrible for them.

 

[AK49LJ]

Let’s all be honest though, we know that the JK steering, suspension, brakes, and axles are superior to anything any previous Jeep ever had. Y link is trash, and prone to multiple issues on and off road. Small brakes with garbage for upgrade options. Tiny short arms... ya know. It is what it is. B that’s why we get on these forums, to find better stuff.

The best thing a guy can do for a TJ is to one ton swap it and go to cross over with hydro assist. Perfection. There is nothing better.

 

[L J]

... my dude ...

You are 35 going on 15.

... is you got on my thread ...

start a blog if you want to control the conversation

Not once did I ask for your inexperienced opinion on my setup.

But really, you look like a fool here.

If you’re running around giving these dudes this shit advice for their steering, I feel horrible for them.

you are delusional

 

[AK49LJ]

The screen shots are the best. You are definitely good entertainment this evening. Thank you! I was a little bored here.