Soldering battery cable and why it is very bad

mrblaine

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As some may know, I get tech calls daily from all over the country. I've been dealing with one for 3 weeks now that started with a buddy's friend with a no start condition. Hit the key to start, it would click the solenoid once, then lose all power. (bear in mind this is all on the phone) I tell them to start with the basics, find out where you lose power starting at the battery. Friend assures me that has been done but keeps going on about how crappy the harness is throughout. I tell him to ignore the harness until it can be proven to be an issue.

Rig gets moved from friend house to buddy's locale so he can work on it. He calls, I tell him the same thing. Start at the battery, find where power is lost, go from there. He starts in with the "harness is bad, blah blah blah and I can tell he and friend are mostly ignoring my advice. They go get an entire harness, it has to be re-pinned at some of the connectors, lengthened, shortened etc. 2 weeks go by and they finally have the "new" harness all installed, hit the key and exact same symptom exists. Hit the key to start, solenoid clicks once, loses all power to the vehicle. I make him take a test light, get it to a power on condition, hit the key to start lose power and then stop and start testing for power starting at the battery positive.

He finally listens and discovers that 6" away, the double terminal at the PDC from the battery has no power. Wiggle the cable, does it have power? Yes, no, yes, no. Okay, you have now found the problem. Turns out, typical battery cable repair with a soldered on terminal and the wire broke at the end of the solder where the stress riser is inside the insulation with enough strands touching to power on the rig but not enough of a connection to handle the starter amperage.

3 weeks, an entire new harness replacing the existing one, a new battery, and lots of time all easily avoided by two things, don't solder cables, and stick to the diagnostic basics.
 
Sad .

I’ve told people to water test a tile shower before they went further with a job...but noooooo.

like my endodontist....I was hurting , ready for him to start...” son, we have to make sure it’s the right tooth.”

real masters can handle about anything , but they handle the basics first.
 
In a previous life one of my job functions involved troubleshooting CNC machines. The first question when a particular function wasn’t working was did you check the fuses.

Everyone always answers yes and only through more wasted questions do they arrive at a blown fuse.
 
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It really irks me when people want help and then they dismiss your ideas/help. Why bother asking!
It gets a bit worse. I specifically asked him about the cable from the battery to the PDC and the termination. He said it was a marine terminal with a newish cable.

Is it soldered or crimped? It feels like it is crimped. Well, get the heat shrink off and find out. It's crimped. Only later did he admit that it was crimped and soldered after removing the heat shrink.

Glad you nailed it (was there really any doubt?).
Always there is doubt if I am doing it over the phone and have to rely on the eyes of others who willingly overlook the obvious even when pointedly questioned.
 
I learned soldering cable connections was bad years ago but it wasn't something that was easy to accept after growing up soldering everything. I sometimes saw problems after soldering big cables but I never attributed it to anything but a fluke. I'm sure it was you Blaine who clued me in on the issues soldering cables causes. Further research soon showed why pretty much all cable connections are crimped and not soldered.

I just wish I had a dollar for every time I soldered something over the past nearly 60 years lol.
 
Small wires (like audio) are totally okay to solder. At NASA, they use a physical electronic bond (crimping) for everything they can. Solder tends to weaken over time and bend after metal fatigue - crimping is a longer lasting and safe alternative that is much less time consuming.
 
Solder causes surface voltage. Good for audio. + or - 5 volts in cnc. Not for a high current draw. Machine repairman 31 years.