How to raise the rear frame and eliminate your butt crack

I welded tabs to the receiver so it could be bolted to the second crossmember.

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It's only welded to the flat plate bumper. I notched the bottom of the crossmember to make it removeable. Lots of ways to do it, really didn't put much thought into it.

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It's only welded to the flat plate bumper. I notched the bottom of the crossmember to make it removeable. Lots of ways to do it, really didn't put much thought into it.

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Got it, thanks!

Did you use crush sleeves or something similar in the secondary crossmember?
 
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That's why I haven't shared pics of mine over here. šŸ˜‚
There are those that do, and those that talk about doing. I'm still in the category of talking about doing! (y)
 
Iā€™m not entirely sure how I stumbled upon this thread, it definitely wasnā€™t something I was looking for and it isnā€™t something I even knew was a thing people were already doing, but it is something I have given a lot of thought to over the years because I hate that rear gap. Anyway it is a long way down on my to-do list. I know these examples have been done on LJs with a lot more space to play with but I thought I had a way to make it work on a TJ. Also I see @jjvw has eluded to doing it and since I am about 40 pages into his build thread I know he has a TJ.

Let me also say that even though I have thought about it a lot, I am a computer nerd, I have zero fabrication experience so my ideas may all be complete shit. Welding is probably the number one thing I wish I was able to do, right behind time travel. But right now I simply do not have the time or space to learn. I can turn a wrench and follow directions well enough to do repairs and install upgrades but I donā€™t know what would or wouldnā€™t affect the structural integrity of the frame. With all the people on here that are waaaaaay smarter than I am I am sure there is a good reason my idea wouldnā€™t work and hopefully someone can set me straight.

Instead of cutting the entire rear frame off why not cut through the bottom and sides and leave the top uncut so you can bend the frame upwards? The further away from the end of the frame the smaller the radius of the bend in the top would need to be. This would leave a pie shaped gap with the widest part being the bottom of the frame. There would be no need to try to have to weld along the top of the frame where the tub is in the way.
So maybe cut here:
frame cut.jpg


Bend up to create this gap to fill:
frame gap.jpg


One thing I am not sure about is how the savvy gts would work with the rear cross member raised. I assume you could use the lower adjustment on the skid on the rear but keep the higher adjustment on the front side, Also the rear cross member would be a few degrees out of perpendicular, but I figure with all the different lifts and heavy bumpers and all that we add on that very few are still at the original angle anyway.

And it if works on the back, would it also work on the front?
Cut Here:
Front Frame cut.jpg


Create this gap to fill:
Front Frame gap.jpg


No actual math or testing went into determining the size of the gaps that would be created and need to be filled in my pictures, just guestimates that might be way off.

As I said, I am sure there is a good reason not to do it this way, but it seems easier.
 
Iā€™m not entirely sure how I stumbled upon this thread, it definitely wasnā€™t something I was looking for and it isnā€™t something I even knew was a thing people were already doing, but it is something I have given a lot of thought to over the years because I hate that rear gap. Anyway it is a long way down on my to-do list. I know these examples have been done on LJs with a lot more space to play with but I thought I had a way to make it work on a TJ. Also I see @jjvw has eluded to doing it and since I am about 40 pages into his build thread I know he has a TJ.

Let me also say that even though I have thought about it a lot, I am a computer nerd, I have zero fabrication experience so my ideas may all be complete shit. Welding is probably the number one thing I wish I was able to do, right behind time travel. But right now I simply do not have the time or space to learn. I can turn a wrench and follow directions well enough to do repairs and install upgrades but I donā€™t know what would or wouldnā€™t affect the structural integrity of the frame. With all the people on here that are waaaaaay smarter than I am I am sure there is a good reason my idea wouldnā€™t work and hopefully someone can set me straight.

Instead of cutting the entire rear frame off why not cut through the bottom and sides and leave the top uncut so you can bend the frame upwards? The further away from the end of the frame the smaller the radius of the bend in the top would need to be. This would leave a pie shaped gap with the widest part being the bottom of the frame. There would be no need to try to have to weld along the top of the frame where the tub is in the way.
So maybe cut here:
View attachment 273469

Bend up to create this gap to fill:
View attachment 273466

One thing I am not sure about is how the savvy gts would work with the rear cross member raised. I assume you could use the lower adjustment on the skid on the rear but keep the higher adjustment on the front side, Also the rear cross member would be a few degrees out of perpendicular, but I figure with all the different lifts and heavy bumpers and all that we add on that very few are still at the original angle anyway.

And it if works on the back, would it also work on the front?
Cut Here:
View attachment 273470

Create this gap to fill:
View attachment 273471

No actual math or testing went into determining the size of the gaps that would be created and need to be filled in my pictures, just guestimates that might be way off.

As I said, I am sure there is a good reason not to do it this way, but it seems easier.
If that is a pic of your rig, hopefully you have put that missing steering gear bolt back in by now.
 
Iā€™m not entirely sure how I stumbled upon this thread, it definitely wasnā€™t something I was looking for and it isnā€™t something I even knew was a thing people were already doing, but it is something I have given a lot of thought to over the years because I hate that rear gap. Anyway it is a long way down on my to-do list. I know these examples have been done on LJs with a lot more space to play with but I thought I had a way to make it work on a TJ. Also I see @jjvw has eluded to doing it and since I am about 40 pages into his build thread I know he has a TJ.

Let me also say that even though I have thought about it a lot, I am a computer nerd, I have zero fabrication experience so my ideas may all be complete shit. Welding is probably the number one thing I wish I was able to do, right behind time travel. But right now I simply do not have the time or space to learn. I can turn a wrench and follow directions well enough to do repairs and install upgrades but I donā€™t know what would or wouldnā€™t affect the structural integrity of the frame. With all the people on here that are waaaaaay smarter than I am I am sure there is a good reason my idea wouldnā€™t work and hopefully someone can set me straight.

Instead of cutting the entire rear frame off why not cut through the bottom and sides and leave the top uncut so you can bend the frame upwards? The further away from the end of the frame the smaller the radius of the bend in the top would need to be. This would leave a pie shaped gap with the widest part being the bottom of the frame. There would be no need to try to have to weld along the top of the frame where the tub is in the way.
So maybe cut here:
View attachment 273469

Bend up to create this gap to fill:
View attachment 273466

One thing I am not sure about is how the savvy gts would work with the rear cross member raised. I assume you could use the lower adjustment on the skid on the rear but keep the higher adjustment on the front side, Also the rear cross member would be a few degrees out of perpendicular, but I figure with all the different lifts and heavy bumpers and all that we add on that very few are still at the original angle anyway.

And it if works on the back, would it also work on the front?
Cut Here:
View attachment 273470

Create this gap to fill:
View attachment 273471

No actual math or testing went into determining the size of the gaps that would be created and need to be filled in my pictures, just guestimates that might be way off.

As I said, I am sure there is a good reason not to do it this way, but it seems easier.
This would cant the rear crossmember and, consequently, the rear body mount tabs forward.
 
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Iā€™m not entirely sure how I stumbled upon this thread, it definitely wasnā€™t something I was looking for and it isnā€™t something I even knew was a thing people were already doing, but it is something I have given a lot of thought to over the years because I hate that rear gap. Anyway it is a long way down on my to-do list. I know these examples have been done on LJs with a lot more space to play with but I thought I had a way to make it work on a TJ. Also I see @jjvw has eluded to doing it and since I am about 40 pages into his build thread I know he has a TJ.

Let me also say that even though I have thought about it a lot, I am a computer nerd, I have zero fabrication experience so my ideas may all be complete shit. Welding is probably the number one thing I wish I was able to do, right behind time travel. But right now I simply do not have the time or space to learn. I can turn a wrench and follow directions well enough to do repairs and install upgrades but I donā€™t know what would or wouldnā€™t affect the structural integrity of the frame. With all the people on here that are waaaaaay smarter than I am I am sure there is a good reason my idea wouldnā€™t work and hopefully someone can set me straight.

Instead of cutting the entire rear frame off why not cut through the bottom and sides and leave the top uncut so you can bend the frame upwards? The further away from the end of the frame the smaller the radius of the bend in the top would need to be. This would leave a pie shaped gap with the widest part being the bottom of the frame. There would be no need to try to have to weld along the top of the frame where the tub is in the way.
So maybe cut here:
View attachment 273469

Bend up to create this gap to fill:
View attachment 273466

One thing I am not sure about is how the savvy gts would work with the rear cross member raised. I assume you could use the lower adjustment on the skid on the rear but keep the higher adjustment on the front side, Also the rear cross member would be a few degrees out of perpendicular, but I figure with all the different lifts and heavy bumpers and all that we add on that very few are still at the original angle anyway.

And it if works on the back, would it also work on the front?
Cut Here:
View attachment 273470

Create this gap to fill:
View attachment 273471

No actual math or testing went into determining the size of the gaps that would be created and need to be filled in my pictures, just guestimates that might be way off.

As I said, I am sure there is a good reason not to do it this way, but it seems easier.
Doing this way you're going to change the orientation of the crossmember as you pivot around that point. It won't sit quite right vs effectively sliding everything up.
 
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This would cant the rear crossmember and, consequently, the rear body mount tabs forward.
I did realize the angle of the rear cross member would be affected, I wasn't sure if it would be great enough to cause the bolts be out of allignment. Like I said, it sounded like a good idea in my head, but if it really was a good idea, I am sure someone else would have already done it. Thank you for letting me know why!
 
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You can drive without a swaybar, you can put the fuel tank in the back, the missing steering gear bolt will cost you dearly.
Hopefully I didn't come across as too much of a smart-ass. Yes, I am aware that the bolt is missing, but thank you for pointing it out in case I wasn't.
 
Doing this way you're going to change the orientation of the crossmember as you pivot around that point. It won't sit quite right vs effectively sliding everything up.
Thank you Rasband. I wasn't sure if it would be enough to matter, but probably so.