Radiator Leak... Need replacement recommendation

I don't really have anything to compare it to since the original radiator was leaking badly when I bought the Jeep, so I don't know how well it did when it wasn't spewing fluid all over the place

but, the radiator hasn't been an issue in the year that I've had it so far, and I've wheeled it on some pretty hot/humid days
 
Mine cracked like that on the way to Moab last year. JB welded it to get me the rest of the way, then put a O'Reilly's special in while at Moab. Been fine so far, but if I had the opportunity to get a Mopar unit while I was there, I would have went that direction.
 
Jusr replaced mine with an original Mopar. It had the side brackets already installed so it was pretty much plug n play. I just wish I had "tapped" the holes for the fan shroud that are attached with self tapping screws before I put it in. The bottom holes for the fan shroud are secured with zip ties due to no space & leverage to install the screws. Hopefully I will remember next time but my original was sixteen years old!


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Started the removal process, pretty straight foward... having various types (stubby and thumb) of socket drivers, made easy removal of the bolts. The bottom passenger-side is gonna be fun reinstalling; had to do it mostly by feel, since I couldn't see the actual bolt.

The other minor challenge was removing the tranny lines, but used a little pick to pull out the clip and it was out.
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Now just waiting on UPS to deliver the replacement unit....

The serpentine belt is also heavily cracking, so that will be replaced.

Since I'm back there, I guess I might as well to the water pump. Don't need to do the thermostat, since I did that earlier this year.

Also got some HD red hoses, so they will also be done.

Hope that address the cooling issues...but I deep concerns about water spray underneath the vehicle, hope it's just overstay from the leak from the fan.
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I'll pressure test the system, once I get everything buttoned up to check for any leaks...
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This is the one I installed on my 2000 Jeep Wrangler 4.0L
OEM isn't always the best! My OEM radiator had a very small leak. So small it wouldn't even drip, but I could smell it! So I brought my Jeep to a radiator guy, (not a mechanic or an auto parts store) a guy who repairs radiators. He told me my leak was a common one for these radiators. The leak was coming from the gasket between the plastic bowls and the aluminum core. Very common and was really not worth fixing. I could buy a new OEM radiator for the same price or less. But warned me that the same thing WILL happen again sooner or later. He told me that if I didn't want to deal with this problem again that I should buy an all welded all aluminum radiator from Northern Radiator.
https://www.northernfactory.com/Product/205087
Yes it was more expensive but we'll worth it. It has twice the cooling capacity, equal to a 4 row radiator. Now I've never had a problem with the OEM keeping my engine cool, but I'm not going to turn down extra cooling capacity. I installed this a couple of years ago and have had no problems. I also installed a bug screen behind the grill to help protect the radiator. The reason he was promoting Northern was that some all aluminum radiator companies will use rubber, plastic, etc. to seal the bowls to the core that will crack over time from heat and leak. but Northern uses aluminum to seal theirs. They can take a lot more abuse. This is the same kind of radiators that are used on off road equipment like front end loaders.
 
I needed a radiator quickly when mine blew..dealer wanted way too much when I was looking, so I went to the local speed shop and went with a Champion

I think the trick to getting longevity out of the stiffer aftermarket radiators is to mount them using a sleeved rubber grommet to cushion the radiator from the twisting that the radiator mounts put on the flanges...the oem plastics will absorb the twisting...right up till it cracks, anyway
The core shell or grill as most know it doesn't flex or twist. It is a series of formed radius curves front and back in sheetmetal that are spot welded together and it is done that way to protect the radiator. If you want to understand this, go out and look at an OEM radiator. You will find that the mounting flanges are held to the radiator core with two small nuts and bolts and the nuts top and bottom that are in slots molded into the plastic end cap. Once you fully recognize the size of the small bolts and how small the slots are, it doesn't take much to figure out if the core shell flexed, it would rip the mounts right off the end caps.
 
for most normal repairs, I use OEM; but dont know if I want replace the radiator with OEM, not to keen with the plastic end cap...

A previous thread had good comment about Northern Radiator 205087...
Yeah, we can't have anything good made out of plastic like airplanes, race cars, pistols, or Stealth Fighters.
 
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This is the one I installed on my 2000 Jeep Wrangler 4.0L
OEM isn't always the best! My OEM radiator had a very small leak. So small it wouldn't even drip, but I could smell it! So I brought my Jeep to a radiator guy, (not a mechanic or an auto parts store) a guy who repairs radiators. He told me my leak was a common one for these radiators. The leak was coming from the gasket between the plastic bowls and the aluminum core. Very common and was really not worth fixing. I could buy a new OEM radiator for the same price or less. But warned me that the same thing WILL happen again sooner or later. He told me that if I didn't want to deal with this problem again that I should buy an all welded all aluminum radiator from Northern Radiator.
https://www.northernfactory.com/Product/205087
Yes it was more expensive but we'll worth it. It has twice the cooling capacity, equal to a 4 row radiator. Now I've never had a problem with the OEM keeping my engine cool, but I'm not going to turn down extra cooling capacity. I installed this a couple of years ago and have had no problems. I also installed a bug screen behind the grill to help protect the radiator. The reason he was promoting Northern was that some all aluminum radiator companies will use rubber, plastic, etc. to seal the bowls to the core that will crack over time from heat and leak. but Northern uses aluminum to seal theirs. They can take a lot more abuse. This is the same kind of radiators that are used on off road equipment like front end loaders.
I'm not gonna fault the radiator engineers too much over a small issue that also blew up a Space Shuttle. The rubber o-ring loses some resilience over time and shrinks when it gets cold. That allows a very small bit of coolant to weep into the crimp area and stops as soon as the radiator warms up. It is an annoyance but I've seen them go for years like that without ever failing catastrophically.
 
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This is the one I installed on my 2000 Jeep Wrangler 4.0L
OEM isn't always the best! My OEM radiator had a very small leak. So small it wouldn't even drip, but I could smell it! So I brought my Jeep to a radiator guy, (not a mechanic or an auto parts store) a guy who repairs radiators. He told me my leak was a common one for these radiators. The leak was coming from the gasket between the plastic bowls and the aluminum core. Very common and was really not worth fixing. I could buy a new OEM radiator for the same price or less. But warned me that the same thing WILL happen again sooner or later. He told me that if I didn't want to deal with this problem again that I should buy an all welded all aluminum radiator from Northern Radiator.
https://www.northernfactory.com/Product/205087
Yes it was more expensive but we'll worth it. It has twice the cooling capacity, equal to a 4 row radiator. Now I've never had a problem with the OEM keeping my engine cool, but I'm not going to turn down extra cooling capacity. I installed this a couple of years ago and have had no problems. I also installed a bug screen behind the grill to help protect the radiator. The reason he was promoting Northern was that some all aluminum radiator companies will use rubber, plastic, etc. to seal the bowls to the core that will crack over time from heat and leak. but Northern uses aluminum to seal theirs. They can take a lot more abuse. This is the same kind of radiators that are used on off road equipment like front end loaders.

Sounds like your mechanic scammed you. both Jerry and I belive mrblaine as well as many others I'm not as familiar with on forums have proven that the more cores in the radiator is useless on a TJ. OEM is better. If rock crawler guys in the desert use mopar and not northern radiator or any other brand that's what I trust over a China brand that many have had issues with within seconds of opening them. I am glad yours works and I hope it lasts many years but the mopar ones are proven time and time again to be the best.
 
Yeah, we can't have anything good made out of plastic like airplanes, race cars, pistols, or Stealth Fighters.

We're talking about radiators not "airplanes, pistols, stealth fighters or race cars" radiators that's sole purpose is to cool and aluminum will dissipate heat better then plastic and aluminum can be fixed plastic gets replaced $$. If you're happy with OEM radiators great! I'm simply giving my recommendations base on my experience and I'm very happy with my purchase and have had no leaks or antifreeze smell or any other problems since I installed it.
He asked for replacement recommendations not an argument I'm sure whatever radiator he buys will work out just fine.
 
We're talking about radiators not "airplanes, pistols, stealth fighters or race cars" radiators that's sole purpose is to cool and aluminum will dissipate heat better then plastic and aluminum can be fixed plastic gets replaced $$. If you're happy with OEM radiators great! I'm simply giving my recommendations base on my experience and I'm very happy with my purchase and have had no leaks or antifreeze smell or any other problems since I installed it.
He asked for replacement recommendations not an argument I'm sure whatever radiator he buys will work out just fine.
I wish that was true about whatever radiator he buys will be fine. The "argument" is really a discussion. So many guys on threads get a radiator and it is garbage and they can't return it. Which honestly sucks for the person who needs a radiator and finds out the one they payed $300 for is garbage. It's easy to get caught up in "aftermarket is better than OEM" most aftermarket radiators have been found to last less than a year or two and cost more than OEM that lasts a decade. This is what I've read on 20+ forum threads before buying an OEM. I too wanted an aftermarket but was "saved" thanks to the argument. Once again, glad it works for you and clearly not all aftermarket ones are garbage. But do understand the hesitation/dislike towards any aftermarket radiators.
 
I wish that was true! The "argument" is a discussion. So many guys on threads get a radiator and it is garbage and they can't return it. Which honestly sucks for the person who needs a radiator and finds out the one they payed $300 for is garbage. It's easy to get caught up in "aftermarket is better than OEM" most aftermarket radiators have been found to last less than a year or two and cost more than OEM that lasts a decade. This is what I've read on 20+ forum threads before buying an OEM. I too wanted an aftermarket but was "saved" thanks to the argument. Once again, glad it works for you and clearly not all aftermarket ones are garbage.

That's great! I'm glad to hear it worked out for you. Having something that works is the bottom line!
 
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I wish that was true about whatever radiator he buys will be fine. The "argument" is really a discussion. So many guys on threads get a radiator and it is garbage and they can't return it. Which honestly sucks for the person who needs a radiator and finds out the one they payed $300 for is garbage. It's easy to get caught up in "aftermarket is better than OEM" most aftermarket radiators have been found to last less than a year or two and cost more than OEM that lasts a decade. This is what I've read on 20+ forum threads before buying an OEM. I too wanted an aftermarket but was "saved" thanks to the argument. Once again, glad it works for you and clearly not all aftermarket ones are garbage. But do understand the hesitation/dislike towards any aftermarket radiators.
I agree there is a lot of garbage out there and I would not have bought this radiator had it not been recommended by the radiator repairman. Who has no inventory and all he does is repair and has been doing it a long long time. He's an older gentleman that works out of his garage and said it was not worth repairing and recommended buying another OEM radiator but warned me the same problem will happen again. When customers come in looking for something better than OEM this is the company he's been recommending and he has had no issues no returns.
There is no doubt in my mind I could have bought an oem radiator and it would have worked just fine. I was trying to prevent the problem that existed with the one I had that is common for Jeep OEM radiators.
I simply cannot stand a vehicle that has leaks.
I guess I'm kind of anal about leaks.

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You have to remember the general public wants vehicles to ride like a Cadillac so manufacturers have to make them ride like that so they don't lose out on sales. A half ton pickup back in the day could haul a half ton, good luck with that today. So now if you want that pickup to safely haul a half ton you will have to use aftermarket to modify it.
We bought a used 2011 Toyota RAV4 it has a tow package on it. why? because the person who originally ordered it was planning on towing with it. Package Includes a bigger radiator a bigger alternator a bigger cooling fan motor all OEM. does this mean it wouldn't pull a trailer without the package? of course not it would still tow a trailer.
Now, look at the Jeep you bought. Did the original buyer inform the manufacturer that it was going to be used for off road? If not then you will end up buying aftermarket "unless you're rich" to make it off road worthy or unless you bought a Rubicon$$$ and even the Rubicon was still built with the general public in mind but more off road worthy. Now I bet if the manufacturer was to build a Jeep specifically for you and your needs they would have built it different than the way the one you bought was built. Will your radiator work? Of course.
If the manufacturer was given the opportunity i bet they would have put a bigger radiator in it too just like they did for the RAV4 for towing.
Look at front end loads, they have a BIG radiator in it because of how it's going to be used. Slow and higher RPM. "Sound familiar?" Sounds like 4 wheeling to me. If it was just going to be driven around on tar roads "a tar baby" I bet the radiator would be smaller.
So you see, even the manufacturer know that modifications need to be made depending on the use.

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We're talking about radiators not "airplanes, pistols, stealth fighters or race cars" radiators that's sole purpose is to cool and aluminum will dissipate heat better then plastic and aluminum can be fixed plastic gets replaced $$. If you're happy with OEM radiators great! I'm simply giving my recommendations base on my experience and I'm very happy with my purchase and have had no leaks or antifreeze smell or any other problems since I installed it.
He asked for replacement recommendations not an argument I'm sure whatever radiator he buys will work out just fine.
Unfortunately the tanks are not necessary for cooling as all the heat extraction and dissipation is done by the tubes and fins so whether or not a tank dissipates heat is a moot point.

What isn't a moot point is the "plastic" you refer to is actually a fiber reinforced composite similar to the way Glock uses high performance polymers, Boeing does for the Dreamliner, etc. Generically they are "plastic" but due to the higher pressures the modern cooling system sees, a stiffer tank with higher strength and rigidity was needed so they turned to high strength composites rather than increase the weight with a thicker copper and brass tank, or a much thicker aluminum tank.

If you think this is an argument, then I hope you never actually get into one with anybody because this isn't even a spirited discussion, yet.
 
You have to remember the general public wants vehicles to ride like a Cadillac so manufacturers have to make them ride like that so they don't lose out on sales. A half ton pickup back in the day could haul a half ton, good luck with that today. So now if you want that pickup to safely haul a half ton you will have to use aftermarket to modify it.
We bought a used 2011 Toyota RAV4 it has a tow package on it. why? because the person who originally ordered it was planning on towing with it. Package Includes a bigger radiator a bigger alternator a bigger cooling fan motor all OEM. does this mean it wouldn't pull a trailer without the package? of course not it would still tow a trailer.
Now, look at the Jeep you bought. Did the original buyer inform the manufacturer that it was going to be used for off road? If not then you will end up buying aftermarket "unless you're rich" to make it off road worthy or unless you bought a Rubicon$$$ and even the Rubicon was still built with the general public in mind but more off road worthy. Now I bet if the manufacturer was to build a Jeep specifically for you and your needs they would have built it different than the way the one you bought was built. Will your radiator work? Of course.
If the manufacturer was given the opportunity i bet they would have put a bigger radiator in it too just like they did for the RAV4 for towing.
Look at front end loads, they have a BIG radiator in it because of how it's going to be used. Slow and higher RPM. "Sound familiar?" Sounds like 4 wheeling to me. If it was just going to be driven around on tar roads "a tar baby" I bet the radiator would be smaller.
So you see, even the manufacturer know that modifications need to be made depending on the use.

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There is only one giant glaring flaw in your logic. The Jeep engineers designed the TJ to work worldwide even in the UAE and similarly hot places. If you care to do the research and dig around, there is not an export cooling system package that is different than the ones they use on all the TJ models in a specific year. I work on a lot of TJ's. I work on a lot of TJ cooling systems. I live where it is hot for a large part of the year. In fact, they are predicting triple digit temps for next Friday. We absolutely need our cooling systems to work and there isn't a single one I haven't fixed to do anything the owner needs it to do with anything other than strictly OEM parts.

We do dally and experiment with aftermarket radiators because the day will come and likely sooner than later before the dealer no longer supports the TJ platform with any part. That means will need to have our ducks in a row and have the alternate solution ready at hand when that day gets here. We've messed with plenty and they have two things in common. They cool about the same and they cost 3-4 times as much. The CBR radiator for a TJ is almost 900 dollars for top of the line. I can buy 4 OEM radiators for that and keep an owner happy swapping them out for the next 30 years.

As to your comment about the size of the TJ radiator, I can readily prove to you or anyone else that it is roughly twice as large as it needs to be. I've messed with several that had the core fully clogged with mud and the only clear spot was right in front of the fan blade about the size of a dinner plate. All we did to restore it to full function was remove it and use the pressure washer on it with a high flow low pressure nozzle. No parts needed to be replaced, just cleaned.

The only reason the owner brought it to me was due to them heading up the mountain in the summer time. They had been driving it in the summer with the AC on and it worked just fine until they started up the hills. They weren't the ones who did the mudding, they bought it like that and drove it all winter and spring before it got to the point where an issue arose.
 
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There is only one giant glaring flaw in your logic. The Jeep engineers designed the TJ to work worldwide even in the UAE and similarly hot places. If you care to do the research and dig around, there is not an export cooling system package that is different than the ones they use on all the TJ models in a specific year. I work on a lot of TJ's. I work on a lot of TJ cooling systems. I live where it is hot for a large part of the year. In fact, they are predicting triple digit temps for next Friday. We absolutely need our cooling systems to work and there isn't a single one I haven't fixed to do anything the owner needs it to do with anything other than strictly OEM parts.

We do dally and experiment with aftermarket radiators because the day will come and likely sooner than later before the dealer no longer supports the TJ platform with any part. That means will need to have our ducks in a row and have the alternate solution ready at hand when that day gets here. We've messed with plenty and they have two things in common. They cool about the same and they cost 3-4 times as much. The CBR radiator for a TJ is almost 900 dollars for top of the line. I can buy 4 OEM radiators for that and keep an owner happy swapping them out for the next 30 years.

As to your comment about the size of the TJ radiator, I can readily prove to you or anyone else that it is roughly twice as large as it needs to be. I've messed with several that had the core fully clogged with mud and the only clear spot was right in front of the fan blade about the size of a dinner plate. All we did to restore it to full function was remove it and use the pressure washer on it with a high flow low pressure nozzle. No parts needed to be replaced, just cleaned.

The only reason the owner brought it to me was due to them heading up the mountain in the summer time. They had been driving it in the summer with the AC on and it worked just fine until they started up the hills. They weren't the ones who did the mudding, they bought it like that and drove it all winter and spring before it got to the point where an issue arose.

AMEN!

Everything I wanted to say, but didn't have the words / knowledge to.

And Blaine is right, this isn't an argument at all, it's actually incredibly solid information.
 
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A half ton pickup back in the day could haul a half ton, good luck with that today. So now if you want that pickup to safely haul a half ton you will have to use aftermarket to modify it.

This needed to be addressed separately.
Ram 1500 half ton
https://www.ramtrucks.com/en/towing_guide/
Ford F-150 half ton
https://www.ford.com/resources/ford/general/pdf/towingguides/17RV&TT_Ford_F150_Sep7.pdf
You can look up the Chevy 1500 offerings but all of them haul more than a 1/2 ton right from the dealer.
 
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