The night I should have stopped... probably

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One of the first "oh shit" adventures I had in my somewhat-new 05 Sport was in March of 2007. I was leaving work and had to drive up 476 to the Pocono exit (current exit #95). It had started to snow when I left and by the time I made it through the Lehigh Tunnel PennDOT had closed 476 to include exiting *off* at my normal exit because the snow was now a full-on ice storm. I then had to drive another 10 miles to the next exit, which thankfully wasn't closed, and then drive back down route 309. To say I was a bit concerned (LED headlights weren't a thing) at that point is an understatement. The ice covering didn't help either.

Needless to say, I made it with no issue. I took some pics when I got into the garage. Enjoy!
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The pic does nothing to convey how bad the ice build-up was. The defroster was doing nothing to combat it effectively. At the top of the riverside, the curved piece of ice is where the windshield wiper was passing underneath. I popped the passenger side wiper up myself - that wasn't due to the weather!
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I had the fogs on, but even the heat from the bulb did little to melt the ice.
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Pretty exciting! I've been caught in several ice storms and blizzards in the Jeep. Its nice being a little less helpless than the other cars on the road, as long as you don't push the limits of your capabilities.
 
The TJ isn't the best to drive in blizzards, that's for sure. I drove out 2015 Subaru Outback in a blizzard and it was actually a joy to drive. Heated windshield washer nozzles, heated mirrors, EyeSight, the best traction I could have ever imagined, etc.

The TJ you have to be much more careful with since it lacks all the technology, but IMHO, that's part of the fun of owning one!
 
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The TJ isn't the best to drive in blizzards, that's for sure....

The TJ you have to be much more careful with since it lacks all the technology, but IMHO, that's part of the fun of owning one!

Very true. The short wheelbase and the old fashioned 4WD can get you in trouble very quickly. I remember climbing up a snow covered mountain highway in 4H and going a little too fast. I started fishtailing multiple times across all 4 lanes of traffic. Fortunately, there was very little traffic and I was able to regain control without causing a problem for anyone else. It was a good lesson in the perils of over-confidence.
 
Very true. The short wheelbase and the old fashioned 4WD can get you in trouble very quickly. I remember climbing up a snow covered mountain highway in 4H and going a little too fast. I started fishtailing multiple times across all 4 lanes of traffic. Fortunately, there was very little traffic and I was able to regain control without causing a problem for anyone else. It was a good lesson in the perils of over-confidence.

Something very similar happened to me as well! I was fishtailing all over the place. This is why I laugh when I see people talking about how fast they can go in their Wrangler in the snow because it has 4WD and big tires... Clearly they know nothing about driving in the snow.

The new vehicles have so many electronics that they just correct every misstep for you. I tried to break that Outback loose in the snow, but the computers are working so hard to correct you, that it was really, really hard to lose control.
 
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We had one nasty storm early this year that came out of nowhere. It took me two hours to get home and at the time I was only 12 miles away! The flat windshield sure likes to collect snow
 
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Something very similar happened to me as well! I was fishtailing all over the place. This is why I laugh when I see people talking about how fast they can go in their Wrangler in the snow because it has 4WD and big tires... Clearly they know nothing about driving in the snow.

The new vehicles have so many electronics that they just correct every misstep for you. I tried to break that Outback loose in the snow, but the computers are working so hard to correct you, that it was really, really hard to lose control.
Growing up in Minnesota, we always had front wheel drive cars. I was encouraged to go play around in empty snow covered parking lots to toss the car around and learn the snow and ice. I rarely got stuck and when I did, I was pretty good at getting my little Dodge Shadow unstuck.

Something I have very clear memories of during high school/college is that after any measurable snow, the highway ditches would be filled with pickup trucks and SUVs, but very few cars.
 
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My Dad used to tell me "4 wheel drive means you can go lots of places, but it doesn't mean you can go fast". My own experience says that goes double for ice and snow. I have yet to fail to get where I needed to go in the snow, but it has always taken me longer to get there because I refuse to drive beyond the capability of the Jeep. I, too, have iced up on more than one occasion although not quite as badly as the OP.
 
Spending my whole life in Michigan, driving in snow is a fact of life. I actually prefer packed snow to the slushy crap they create here with all the salt. In the UP, they plow and spread sand. It's MUCH better than the lower peninsula, but, the snow stays on the roads all winter there. No melting... It's nice though, as it fills in all the potholes!
 
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Very true. The short wheelbase and the old fashioned 4WD can get you in trouble very quickly. I remember climbing up a snow covered mountain highway in 4H and going a little too fast. I started fishtailing multiple times across all 4 lanes of traffic. Fortunately, there was very little traffic and I was able to regain control without causing a problem for anyone else. It was a good lesson in the perils of over-confidence.
In Colorado and Asheville , NC , Outbacks are everywhere.
 
Something very similar happened to me as well! I was fishtailing all over the place. This is why I laugh when I see people talking about how fast they can go in their Wrangler in the snow because it has 4WD and big tires... Clearly they know nothing about driving in the snow.

The new vehicles have so many electronics that they just correct every misstep for you. I tried to break that Outback loose in the snow, but the computers are working so hard to correct you, that it was really, really hard to lose control.

Chris, you are so right about how the new tech drives it is night and day from our tj’s. My set-up was off a little on mine when I got it and between the alignment issues and drop pitman, I couldn’t drive it on icy roads with out spinning out. My wife’s bmw on the other hand drives itself, we were coming home late one night driving down an expressway with a 50mph limit, as we passed under a freeway overpass a drunk driver was heading right for us as he came off the freeway driving from the wrong direction we had a green light in our direction and he of course had no light as he was exiting from the on ramp. There was no time to hit the brakes that would have put us into his side, luckily we were in sport mode (tech is great when it works) and by reflex’s I floored it. I remember seeing the front of his car in slow motion at my door and cranking the wheel hard to the right sending the bmw into a drift, the car drove itself through the whole thing and we missed him by inches ending back on our orrigional path. My wife had to call the cops I was too shook up.
 
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Chris, you are so right about how the new tech drives it is night and day from our tj’s. My set-up was off a little on mine when I got it and between the alignment issues and drop pitman, I couldn’t drive it on icy roads with out spinning out. My wife’s bmw on the other hand drives itself, we were coming home late one night driving down an expressway with a 50mph limit, as we passed under a freeway overpass a drunk driver was heading right for us as he came off the freeway driving from the wrong direction we had a green light in our direction and he of course had no light as he was exiting from the on ramp. There was no time to hit the brakes that would have put us into his side, luckily we were in sport mode (tech is great when it works) and by reflex’s I floored it. I remember seeing the front of his car in slow motion at my door and cranking the wheel hard to the right sending the bmw into a drift, the car drove itself through the whole thing and we missed him by inches ending back on our orrigional path. My wife had to call the cops I was too shook up.

Yep, the new cars are much safer to drive, no doubt about that. They're just not fun (or cheap) when you have to fix them, or if you want to work on them yourself.
 
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Growing up in Minnesota, we always had front wheel drive cars. I was encouraged to go play around in empty snow covered parking lots to toss the car around and learn the snow and ice. I rarely got stuck and when I did, I was pretty good at getting my little Dodge Shadow unstuck.

Something I have very clear memories of during high school/college is that after any measurable snow, the highway ditches would be filled with pickup trucks and SUVs, but very few cars.

I do the same thing being that I am from Florida and snow only comes in our snowcones with many flavors lol. We vacation up in New Hampshire every year during Christmas or New Years week. The first thing I do up there is find an open lot and let loose to get the feel of the ice and snow. I have to agree with the Subaru. We had an old Forester and it was very hard to get it to let loose in the snow and ice.
Our old 2014 JKU did great last winter. We will see how our new 2018 Ram 1500 4x4 does this year lol

Here is a video of our old 2005 4x4 Suzuki XL7 letting loose in 2WD lol
https://www.flickr.com/photos/wlirio/6644850331/
 
My wintertime daily driver is a 2010 Toyota Tacoma TRD Off Road, all the bells and whistles. With traction control and a limited slip rear, there have been many times 4WD was never engaged where any of my TJs would have required it. My 05 would be my top pick as it had the limited slip rear, but if you throw the Tacoma into the mix, it wins.

Another 05 story - about 7 or 8 years ago there was an early fall snow storm that came in just as the sun was setting. In this nick of PA, October is a very weird month for weather, it isn't uncommon to have a 2' snowfall at my house and a mere dusting just 1 mile away with only a 300' drop in elevation. Anyway, by the time I left work (~20 miles away) it was pitch black out and snowing lightly, nothing major or even minor for that matter.

Well, my current job is about 1000' lower in elevation. It was late October. The weather had gotten weird.

I was less than 2 miles from home making my way up the side of the mountain (small hill to those in Colorado and the like) using a side road and suddenly I was slowing down and then sliding backwards ever so slightly even though I most assuredly was attempting to go forward by all normal means. I stopped the vehicle when the engine raced and I heard the wheels spinning. Further attempts to go forward again using normal means didn't pan out. I was stuck. Or so I thought. I dropped into 1st (my 05 was an auto) ran 4WD and went absolutely nowhere as the tires (all 4 had over 80,000 miles on them) just spun and the engine soared. I contemplated just backing down the road and taking the main roads the rest of the way home, but visibility was a huge issue - no street lights, snow, shitty backup lights, the possibility of meeting a plow/salt truck, etc.. Given that, at the time, I was unaware that the ice extended the entire road length I decided to try 4Lo at speedometer-not-registering-movement speeds. It worked, but took me a few times of dropping back into 4Hi and getting "stuck" again before I just accepted that the next mile or so would take a long time to traverse. I came to find out that earlier in the day it had drizzled and then there was a snap freeze before it changed to snow. I was basically driving on a snow covered ice-skating rink.

As far as the mileage on the tires - yes, over 80,000 miles. During this little adventure I was kicking myself for running the tires that long, but ice joined with a steep-ish road was the culprit and not worn-out tires. I made it through the rest of the winter and one hell of an awesome blizzard on those tires with no issues. It wasn't until they hit 88,000 miles that following April that I was told they were at the bare minimum to pass state inspection. I replaced them. I would have used Wrangler GSAs, but they were discontinued for 30x9.50R15 at that time. The next set of tires only made it 47,000 miles before they were done.
 
I drove through a east-west blizzard for 2 days, going to Oregon from Wisconsin.

I used a 200 Grand Cherokee Limited... and I loved that thing. It handled the sbowy roads so well... that we were able to cut a line for other vehicles to follow in.

That Quadratrac 2 full time 4wd is awesome.

Link below is a report on that storm... deove theough it at a slow speed through Wi, MN, and into SD.

Record snowfall everywhere.. in one storm, Madsion got 13 inches in a day.



https://www.weather.gov/mkx/122012-winterstorm