cooper makes a "value" MT, i think it's what used to be Mastercraft. Cooper Evolution, very reasonably priced.
I'm leaning towards these or the Maxxis Bighorn
I'm leaning towards these or the Maxxis Bighorn
Very useful post, I hadn’t considered that with such similar tread patterns they would be so close. All add the MTR’s (Goodyear?) and the interco’s to the list.We have mud here, snow, it can get rainy, soggy, snowy,...the mud can get greasy...just damn messy.
AT's suck for any serious mud and or deep snow. You being in Dallas don't worry about snow but mud...sure.
They clog up just looking at mud. And only clean once you've hit the pavement.
AT's are fine for for hard packed snow/ice and occasional soft ground. Not MUD. Soft ground.
Are they better than a street tire? Yes...but only a little bit.
True mud tires there is no substitute.
BTW...the patigonias suck. Bad. Might be the worst tire ever made. Maybe even the the last few years.
They suck. That solid center bead is absolutely retarded. Dumbest design ever.
You have Duratracs listed but no MTR???
Kenda MT are ok...they are a mickey mtz copy.
General X3 are an original MTR copy...
KM3 are ok.
Coopers are ok...
Ya know if you haven't noticed there are a boat load of tires out there that are very similar. They all have such similar tread designs. Really who cares they're all going to perform close to one another.
Kenda mt, stt pro, mtz, x3, all pretty much the same thing. Why? All copying off each other. You want red or black?
If you want a true mud tire I'd advise checking out what Interco has to offer.
An Irok ND,
trxus m/t
The SSR
All three offer decent street ability and tremendous off road capability.
Swampers have been the benchmark other off road tires are judged against.
I looked at the open country and such, my general consensus was it’s the same as BFG’s but I’ll ass them to the list and see if we can get any opinions.Following because I'm looking for new tires, too. No one has mentioned Toyo at all. Is there are reason for that?
I forgot to add, the KO2’s on my Silverado did great on snow covered roads.I have 31x10.50 BFG KM2’s. I don’t look for mud, but the limited times I‘ve been in it they did well. Cleaned out real well. I’ve been in lots of sand, aired down, and I thought they have done extremely well in that situation.
I had BFG KO2’s on my Silverado and they were just ok for mud. Did not clean out well.
I'm asking you in a serious manner...Very useful post, I hadn’t considered that with such similar tread patterns they would be so close. All add the MTR’s (Goodyear?) and the interco’s to the list.
the swappers are a kick ass off-Road tire. But they kinda suck at everything else, hopefully I can find a decent middle ground. Perhaps slightly off-road bias.
Tbh, I haven’t looked at Interco in a while, the last set of swampers I had, we’re older than I am, and I credit them with most of the reason that stupid VW rail could keep up with the bigger rigs (that and how light it was) the swampers are threw anything we threw at them from sand to mud to dirt, just hooked and went.I'm asking you in a serious manner...
You acknowledge they kick ass off road bit suck at everything else?
Explain that please
Notice I left out the bogger, regular TSL, ahd the TSL SX. All are bias.
I sell all this shit (all vendors) and get touchy feely with them. Put miles on them.
I’ll add em.What about the Falken MT?
They're quite affordable for a MT
It is M&S ratedIts not specifically a MT tire, but I've been very impressed with the Cooper ST Maxx on my Lexus. Its handled anything I've thrown at it. Its is claimed to be an AT/MT hybrid so there is that. On the LX, I run 255/85R16 which is basically a 33x10, though its available in the more usual sizes.
Enough said. That's like saying my Porsche Cayenne can go offroad. My neighbor had one (Porsche Cayenne turbo 4x4 ) and it couldn't make it up the hill on a paved street in the snow. His 4 banger TJ had no problems.Its not specifically a MT tire, but I've been very impressed with the Cooper ST Maxx on my Lexus. Its handled anything I've thrown at it with my Lexus. Its is claimed to be an AT/MT hybrid so there is that. On the LX Lexus, I run 255/85R16 which is basically a 33x10, though its available in the more usual sizes.
I mean.... it can. It’s just expensive and depressing in it’s abilityEnough said. That's like saying my Porsche Cayenne can go offroad.
I'm certain you're talking about the old school original TSL bias ply tires.Tbh, I haven’t looked at Interco in a while, the last set of swampers I had, we’re older than I am, and I credit them with most of the reason that stupid VW rail could keep up with the bigger rigs (that and how light it was) the swampers are threw anything we threw at them from sand to mud to dirt, just hooked and went.
all that being said, on the road they couldn’t find traction in the dry, never mind the wet and they shook like all hell (despite multiple balance attempts) and the ride was pretty rough. (Not only the tires but they weren’t helping)
I would like to put in a disclaimer that those tires were old and dry rotting at the valve, and I fully intend to look into Intercos options for a Jeep, it’s been over 10 years, I imagined they offer more tires than they used to/ have improved there design.
I would be interested to hear your opinion/experience on what you run on your Jeep, you said your a vendor (for tires?) what do you recommend about the interco options? What’s your favorite? Seems like you have a great deal more experience in this field than I do.
you laugh, but the Lexus has three lockers from the factory (fulltime 4wd means a middle diff as well.). its not a cream puff, but a rebadged Landcruiser FZJ80.Enough said. That's like saying my Porsche Cayenne can go offroad. My neighbor had one (Porsche Cayenne turbo 4x4 ) and it couldn't make it up the hill on a paved street in the snow. His 4 banger TJ had no problems.