32's and the 3.07 rear diff

First off, you will technically gain speed potential with 3.07s going from 31s to 32s if the engine can make enough power. However torque does suffer.

AX-15 and 3.07s are what you get when government bureaucrats, engineers, lawyers and sales get together and figure out a bait a switch scenario. All examples of doing the stuff you want is done with a different gear ratio and tires and the MPG sales point doesn't sound that bad due to unrealistic driving scenarios of running 3.07s. 3.07s are only somewhat practical with street tires 29" or smaller. Now, like most Americans I'm used to big HP and no shifting from OD 45+MPH ie pre-2000s. On a flat road and a mostly empty Jeep 29s are not horrible with the 4.0L. With most diesel engine torque curves 29s and 3.07s are fantastic for on the road activities, but we're only allowed and sold big HP not the torque some are describing. If the 4.0 had had the HP of our typical V8s we wouldn't all be asking about the tires and gear ratios.

On paper 3.07s can be more efficient on the highway, but the torque curve and the drag of the vehicle isn't even close above about 29" tires and when you get into more off-road oriented tires, you get a BUNCH more losses on the road compared to lightweight on-road tires. I have been able to use OD on a few rare occasions with 33s and 3.07s, but almost only on downhill slopes, oh and add a winch or some lights and the scenario gets more rare. Drop from 33s and it's better but almost imperceptible unless you're really paying attention. And the issue I have with that ratio and the 4.0L is that you'd need to run ~25" tire to even be close to the peak torque where you wouldn't have to shift from OD regularly on the highway. And if you tow anything, that's just another head scratcher on 3.07s. And personally I won't buy almost anything under 3.73:1 when I get a vehicle just due to most of the torque curves and transmissions that are on the current market.

Now will you be able to tell the difference in a 31 vs 32, probably not and in fact the 32" might be a 31" tire and if it's not from the factory it will be in a couple of years. Will it be a big deal in general..no. There will be a little be of additional shifting and since the vehicle is technically undergeared, performance, MPG, and wear are all going to be ever so slightly worsened. Now for a vehicle snob and engineer like me with an idea of how a vehicle, especially a 4x4 should be properly utilized and made, it annoys me quite a lot, because it's wrong on paper for the most part and slightly inconvenient in the real world. I think it's asinine for the RPMs to be so far away from peak torque on the highway with your OD and the most common tire sizes. IMO you should either be solidly in that range or just slightly under for an AUTO. Especially when the peak torque and torque from the combined gear ratios aren't enough to maintain highway speed when in OD.

I did run 3.07s for 6 or 7 years, so again it's more of a pet peeve, but the highway was a struggle and 5th gear almost had no use and I'm not sure why it was there. And when I went to mud tires, some lights and a winch, I dropped down to 29" tires and it made more sense to just trailer the Jeep at that point.
 
My 1998 Jeep came with a 3-speed automatic with 3.07 gears and the optional 30" tire package.

I replaced the 30s with 32s and lived with it for 17 years. Like you, I didn't notice much of a difference with the bigger tires. The only time I really noticed a problem was when I was driving up a mountain. I had the gas to the floor and was losing speed as I climbed higher. So I had to downshift to a lower gear. So what's the big deal?

About 2 years ago, I re-built my axles and decided to re-gear to 4.10s. The idea was to follow Chrysler's notes and mimic the powerband of the optional 3.73 gears with 30" tires. With 32" or 33" tires, 4.10 gears would be the closest match. At first, I didn't think it felt all that much different, except that I noticed the transmission wanted to shift up much sooner and it didn't downshift as much. Then one day shortly after, I angrily stomped the throttle in an effort to pass a slow poke on the highway. I was completely unprepared for how responsive my Jeep became that day. It was like it suddenly woke up. My Jeep LAUNCHED forward and rudely pushed me back in the seat. And I swear I think the front wheels came off the ground! That was when I realized how much torque the 4.0 has - it just needs the right gearing to access it. I can hold the gas pedal down and the 4.0 will actually bark my 32" tires going in to second gear now. It was NEVER like this when I still had the stock 30" tires.

I think what happened is that I was so used to living with the 3.07 gears that I had to re-learn how to drive it correctly with the lower 4.10 gears. Now I realize that Jeep under-geared these engines with the 3.07 gears - even with stock tires. Re-gearing to 4.10s is easily my favorite modification I made to my Jeep.
@TJRick Thanks for sharing this input, this makes a lot of sense to me now. I'm still running my 35's with 3.07's on the 3 speed auto and get by absolutely fine where I live. No problem whatsoever accelerating to and maintaining interstate speeds. But do not have the power you're describing. The only shop in my area wants $2600 to regear both axles, just not sure if the bite is worth the chew.
 
Got the 32’s installed today.
Test drive showed little difference compared to the 30’s that were on it.
BTW, it’s a 2003, 4.0 auto.
A short freeway ride also showed no signs of trouble getting up to speed.
We live in SoCal, so mostly flat except for when we go up the hill to Big Bear, Arrowhead, etc.

The only thing I think I’ll change out is the speedometer gear to get a bit closer to actual speed (compared to GPS data).

I think it looks great and it’s not too tall for my old ass to climb in/out of; and my wife likes it which is great because technically it’s hers…

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Sort of proves a point that re gearing isn't necessarily a must do for all drivers and driving styles .
Glad it worked out ok for you, keep us informed if you decide to re gear.
Makes me glad to know that if I do go above my 29,s on 3.07,s I wont experience any immediate noticeable problems with my 6 speed :)
 
@TJRick Thanks for sharing this input, this makes a lot of sense to me now. I'm still running my 35's with 3.07's on the 3 speed auto and get by absolutely fine where I live. No problem whatsoever accelerating to and maintaining interstate speeds. But do not have the power you're describing. The only shop in my area wants $2600 to regear both axles, just not sure if the bite is worth the chew.
Local shop told me to expect to pay ~$2300 to change to 4.10's... Not likely to happen unless I find a scorching deal on used parts.
 
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Sort of proves a point that re gearing isn't necessarily a must do for all drivers and driving styles .
Glad it worked out ok for you, keep us informed if you decide to re gear.
Makes me glad to know that if I do go above my 29,s on 3.07,s I wont experience any immediate noticeable problems with my 6 speed :)
Nobody ever said it isn't going to roll when you give it gas. 3.07s do not put an invisible brick wall in front of the jeep that keep it from moving. It will roll, but no different way you try to spin it or justify it will change the fact that you've only driven 3.07s and don't know what potential improvements you are missing out on with your limited experience. If you're happy, that's fine, but it doesn't change anything. I believe as they say, "ignorance is bliss." If you truly love 3.07s that much, then you'd really just be over the moon with something better.
 
Nobody ever said it isn't going to roll when you give it gas. 3.07s do not put an invisible brick wall in front of the jeep that keep it from moving. It will roll, but no different way you try to spin it or justify it will change the fact that you've only driven 3.07s and don't know what potential improvements you are missing out on with your limited experience. If you're happy, that's fine, but it doesn't change anything. I believe as they say, "ignorance is bliss." If you truly love 3.07s that much, then you'd really just be over the moon with something better.
I guess I missed where he said it was gonna change something. I took from it he had an opinion to share and that’s it. I also missed the whole brick wall part. But then again, maybe I was too caught up in wondering why so many macho types are telling him he don’t know what he’s missing and he’s clueless.

I guess your username checks out. 😉
 
I guess I missed where he said it was gonna change something. I took from it he had an opinion to share and that’s it. I also missed the whole brick wall part. But then again, maybe I was too caught up in wondering why so many macho types are telling him he don’t know what he’s missing and he’s clueless.

I guess your username checks out. 😉
You missed the point, completely.
 
Nobody ever said it isn't going to roll when you give it gas. 3.07s do not put an invisible brick wall in front of the jeep that keep it from moving. It will roll, but no different way you try to spin it or justify it will change the fact that you've only driven 3.07s and don't know what potential improvements you are missing out on with your limited experience. If you're happy, that's fine, but it doesn't change anything. I believe as they say, "ignorance is bliss." If you truly love 3.07s that much, then you'd really just be over the moon with something better.
Different driving styles suit different people "It will Roll"? says it all implying there is a huge difference but OP cant tell the difference? Me I couldn't give a flying fuck what rev range or torque some of you want, the point is not everyone needs a re gear when they go bigger tyres and at some point for some it will just became internet "Emperor's New Cloths syndrome" because they thought they had to have a re gear when they didn't really need it but continue to say how its necessary because they did it.

I am not trying to spin anything? Go back and look at all the comments, 3.07,s are garbage. you will need at least 4.10 for 32,s, Thats the spin because not everyone does.

Not sure where you got the Idea I have only ever driven a TJ with 3.07 gearing? maybe you have me mixed up with somebody else?
 
I hear you , Fish. Maybe there is less drag on your rig because you are upside down?

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